Oh dear - because in the earlier disussion (Aug 07) I mentioned that
U's website mentioned beef gut (don't know if it still does) and I
thought the play on words (toro) was amusingly serendipitous-
evidently not. No more complicatred than that!
Nevertheless, it remains interesting that the manufacture of high
tensile gut continues in Italy (but I presume not elswhere - tho I've
heard of strong banjo gut available in the US) and not just the
excellent Mimmo's new manufacture.
M
--- On Wed, 26/11/08, Anthony Hind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Anthony Hind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Universale
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: "lute List" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, 26 November, 2008, 4:55 PM
Le 26 nov. 08 A 16:53, Martyn Hodgson a A(c)crit :
>
> Eh! Beef: ' Flesh of ox, bull or cow' (concise Oxford). No need
to
> reply....
>
> MH
>
>
Of course Martyn, I don't deny that, but I just wondered why you
mentioned "bull" and not "cow", or OX as the Universale
site, does.
I was not suggesting that you did not know what beef was. I just
wondered whether in a confused message, the name Toro, had not
mislead you, which would have explained the other part of the
message, which also confused me.
I thought the conditions of the communication might have been
difficult, as In your message you did say, "if I understood". The
problem was not really the "bull" question, but the fact that you
seemed to be saying that Universale and Aquila strong trebles came
from the same source, and that this information came from Mimmo. May
be I was the only one to understand that.
However, if not, people might go on to conclude it is the same thing
for the strings that are called Venice on the two sites.
Infact, Mimmo, spoke briefly about his research into strong trebles
already in Lute News 79 Oct 2006. The strings were briefly available
around then (see my other message).
So I am just trying to clarify, not to criticize, or whatever.
Regards
Anthony
>
>
> --- On Wed, 26/11/08, Anthony Hind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Anthony Hind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Universale
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: "lute List" <[email protected]>
> Date: Wednesday, 26 November, 2008, 10:35 AM
>
> Martyn
> It is because you said, "Note that beef (bull?) gut is
> mentioned", Beef is not "bull", so I wondered where you had
got
> the
> idea from.
> MP said he was probably not speaking very fluently. The main thing is
> that the two string types, are not identical.
> Anthony
>
>
> Le 26 nov. 08 A 10:05, Martyn Hodgson a A(c)crit :
>
> >
> >
> > I wasn't confused about bull and Toro bros! Tthe beef issue
> > comes from
> > Universale's earlier web page (mentioned in the Aug 2007
> > discussion I
> > mentioned).
> >
> > I'm surprised we don't know more of the Toros business.
> >
> > MH
> > --- On Tue, 25/11/08, Anthony Hind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> > From: Anthony Hind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Universale
> > To: "Martyn Hodgson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Daniel
> > Winheld"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: "lute List" <[email protected]>
> > Date: Tuesday, 25 November, 2008, 11:07 PM
> > Dear Martyn and Daniel and all
> > I think there may have been a lot of background noise during
> > your conversation with Mimmo, and I think I have understood roughly
> > the cause of the confusion.
> >
> > In fact, what Mimmo must have said was that one family of gut string
> > makers was providing all these strong strings for Universale, La
> > Folia, and Baroco, and that is the Toro Brothers (The Toro family
> are
> > from the city of Salle, province of Pescara in the region of
> Abruzzo,
> > Italy).
> > This has nothing to at all to do with the strong strings made by
> > Mimmo himself..
> >
> > When Mimmo mentioned 'Toro", you may have understood the
related
> word
> >
> > "tauro" (bull), possibly the meaning of the name. You then
> perhaps
> > thought that Mimmo was referring to the material from which the
> > strings were made:
> > made from tauro, rather than by Toro.
> >
> > The Toro brothers use indifferently beef and ram. (perhaps not
> > actually ram, possibly "mutton", but I am not sure about
that.
> Ram
> > strings are brown simply because they do not use peroxides on it,
> > while they do use it on the beef gut.
> >
> > Mimmo's strings are usually semi-rectified, but this may not be
the
> > case with the Toro brother's strings.
> > Also Mimmo's strong strings are unvarnished, just oiled. This
might
> > not be the case with the Toro either.
> >
> > Perhaps Daniel can enlighten us on this last point, as he is using
> > them.
> > Best wishes
> > Anthony
> >
> >
> > Le 25 nov. 08 A 09:36, Martyn Hodgson a A(c)crit :
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I had a long conversation with Mimmo at last week's
exhibition
> in
> >> London. One of the things we discussed was strong trebles: he
> >> said (if
> >> I understood him right) that ALL these higher tensile gut
> >> strings are
> >> made by the same Italian manufacturer who sells them to
various
> >> retailers.
> >>
> >> Incidentally, an earlier email about Universale strings and
> >> responses
> >> is to be found in the archives. Ref below. Note that beef
> >> (bull?) gut
> >> is mentioned.
> >>
> >> Gut strings - 'Universale corde musicali'
> >>
> >> Friday, 24 August, 2007 4:10 PM
> >>
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