I don't agree with Mr Haynes, but it doesn't
matter, I use primary sources. Why use a secondary source?
As for recording changing the way people play,
that simply can't be true, because the players
are getting better--if they were just learning
three notes at a time to squeeze through a
recording, they would be getting worse.
Even the youtube videos are getting better in the
short amount of time they have been around.
Of course there will always be players like that
use a thousand edits, and have been so for nearly
thirty years, and there are more of them, alas,
in the lute world, but the best players are much better than those players.
And we are really talking about a reasonably small number.
As long as we have live concerts, there is a big reality check.
dt
At 12:42 AM 2/3/2009, you wrote:
The question is what do you mean by "old fashioned"?
I am sure that most mainstream classical players would see their playing as
old fashioned in a sense, going back to Beethoven maybe in spirit back to
Bach, but as Haynes points out probably the biggest change in the classical
musical playing style came with the advent of recording. It is not HIP vs.
romantic performance, romantic players probably played closer to what HIP
players would condone, the big change came with the rise of recording.
Personally I don't see much point in your one note out of context, but in
the classical recording world it probably fits, as most recordings are
edited together from thousands of takes.
As far as deconstruction goes, I think we can learn a lot from it.
I read yesterday in "Deconstructions - A User's Guide by Nicholas Royle",
something that is food for thought - "We must remain open to the scrutiny of
the improper". There are things in Bruce Haynes book that I am sure will be
uncomfortable for some people in the early music world, they may even think
them improper, such as the subtitles - "mainstream style - chops, but no
soul" or "HIP is anti-classical". But his book does that what deconstruction
also aims to do "A strategy of critical analysis of language and texts which
emphasizes features exposing unquestioned assumptions and inconsistencies"
(The new Shorter Oxford English Dictionary).
At the start of the 21st century, I find words such as "modern" or "old
fashioned" almost meaningless. Often what is termed modern is just what a
small number of people would like to be seen as important in the world they
live in. A small percentage of the world is interested in "high culture" and
it often sounds so funny to hear music that was written 50 years ago and has
a very small audience be described as "Modern" or "Neue Musik". Also I am
sure that a large percentage of the classical audience see what they support
in "mainstream classical music" as part of a tradition that goes back
through time, but we know that only 100 years ago, music making in
orchestras was very different.
Modern or old fashioned are often used as quality standards or moral
positions, something that is one of the main criticisms of HIP.
But HIP is just as Haynes says is a "statement of intent" and not a claim to
be modern or upholding the thousand year tradition of the prophets.
All the best
Mark
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Von: David Tayler [mailto:[email protected]]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Februar 2009 07:20
An: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: French trill?
I'm old fashioned, I guess; I think the old ways are better.
I've no objection to musical freedom, I just advocate "try then decide".
I also think one learns more form one note of a great player than a
whole book of deconstructionist.
dt
At 04:40 AM 2/2/2009, you wrote:
>As you might expect - I advocate the same thing as Haynes, sans
>balking. I'd rather deal with the last Tuesday's trills, than
>anything by, say, Matteis.
>RT
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>From: "David Rastall" <[email protected]>
>>On Feb 1, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Mark Wheeler wrote:
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>>>You should check out Bruce Haynes book "The end of early music"
>>
>>I couldn't agree more. It's a very good read. Although Haynes is a
>>strong advocate for the writing of "new" music in the Baroque style,
>>which makes me balk a little bit. I'd rather go to original 17th- or
>>18th-Century sources than try to deal with French trills in something
>>written last Tuesday.
>>
>>DR
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