Briefy, our live audio version found on Rob Mackillop's Dowland page: http://www.mignarda.com/mackillop/cansheexcuse.mp3 Best, Ron Andrico www.mignarda.com > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:20:51 -0700 > To: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Subject: [LUTE] Re: The Galliard > > I recorded this at minim=140 with tenor Jeffrey Thomas, in retrospect > it might have been a bit fast. He could really declaim the text perfectly. > Above 120 and you can easily do the whole last section in one breath. > > Here's another version, I think it is a reasonable tempo, about the > same as Valeria and Alfonso I think. > > http://www.vimeo.com/5735296 > > One thing about learning it really fast, is that you reach a point > and say, this is garbage. Then you slow it down a bit. > I think if you look at all the performances of this piece, you will > see every tempo imaginable, not just a slow and a fast version. > dt > > > At 10:18 AM 7/24/2009, you wrote: > >Dear Dan, > > > >A fundamentally important question, and I hope many people will give > >their thoughts. I certainly wouldn't want to go much faster than minim = > >120, but there are details which trouble me about the piece. In the > >setting for five viols/violins with lute, the lute has a couple of > >semiquavers in the first bar of the second section. In the consort > >version printed by Thomas Morley, there are eight semiquavers (halved to > >demi-semiquavers in Sydney Beck's edition) half way through the second > >section. I don't think these could be played (each note plucked > >separately, not slurred) at minim = 120. A speed of minim = 110 would be > >pushing it. If I had to choose a speed for those notes to be cleanly > >played, I would want something more in the region of minim = 100, but no > >slower. It's at that kind of speed where the count of 1 and, 2 and, 3 > >and, comes into its own to hold you back in the first bar. > > > >The Earl of Essex Galliard has the words "Can she excuse". If you think > >Essex is angry, you might want a speed as fast as you can go. If you > >think he is being more reflective about what could have been, a slower > >speed might be more suitable. > > > >I notice that the Julian Bream consort plays the consort version > >followed by the song at about minim = 114, and he fudges the eight > >semiquavers. > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZXfHhLebVE > > > >Also available on YouTube is a performance of the song by Valeria > >Mignaco and Alfonso Marin. > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fMk6YW6Xhk&feature=related > > > >Their speed is about minim = 126, although they slow down here and there > >to avoid it being relentless. It is an exciting speed, but not feasible > >for the consort version. > > > >The group Musica Ficta de Buenos Aires go a little faster than minim = > >126. It is a bit of a scramble, and they slow down at the end. > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKgkY85pMF0&feature=PlayList&p=29ABA0FC 09 > >CDAA5D&index=0&playnext=1 > > > >I think their speed is too fast. > > > >I wonder if singers and their accompanists agree on a fast tempo, partly > >because the music is simple in enough to take it. Lutenists struggling > >with the consort setting will be looking for slower speeds, because > >otherwise they won't be able to play all the fast notes. > > > >Best wishes, > > > >Stewart McCoy. > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > >Behalf Of Daniel Winheld > >Sent: 24 July 2009 15:03 > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [LUTE] Re: The Galliard > > > >Could someone suggest a likely metronome tempo? > > > > > > >It's possible. > > >dt > > > > > > This idea of there being two galliard types I heard re-iterated > >some > > > years later by Layton Ring on one of the Lute Society courses at > > > Cheltenham. He demonstrated how it would be impossible to play The > >Earl > > > of Essex Galliard at the speed of someone dancing the fast > >galliard. > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at > >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > __________________________________________________________________
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