Surely none of us like to keep you from your creative works. Hopefully
you can find some time to read through these, my poore scriblings!
I realize the limited usefulness of creative endeavors in general, and my
own in particular, so I read everything.
I do not know which educated musicologists you are referring to.
Generally the ones who repeat the Arabian tale, which in my opinion doesn't
hold water.
I for one have problems with experts who provide answers in stead of
questions, don't you?
So do I. I prefer to question answers.
My feeling is answers kill arts and creative science, Questions keep them
alive.
My sentiment exactly.
Even Wikipedia seems to be terrorized by self proclaimed experts which
makes it a provider of opinions at best.
Wikipedia is not terrorized by any experts, as it has strict rules against
original research. All material has to be secondary.
Furthermore the frets issue is not fully being answered there, is it?
It is. Frets on early ouds are standard scholarship, no one disputes them.
I've read the articles in 5 languages in order to get a wider
perspective.
Some say frets were gradualy being abandoned by the arabs in the period
between 1100 and 1300. Is this true? I don't know.
Probably in a narrower period, but it is safer to be vague.
Others say that the westen european lute gained them around that time.
Unless it always had them.
What does that tell us? Did they perhaps exchange instruments?
Or that we make wrong assumptions.
I have absolutely no way of knowing this for sure but is it important for
us now? Some of us pretend to be authentic in our approach to Baroque
lute music but some of our most famous players play Bach with a technique
that was customary in the early sixteenth century.
Is this really important? Maybe the so called experts would think so
thereby bypassing the question of what music as an art form should try to
accomplish. Even then, what is this question?
Does that sound good?
RT
Cheers!
Lex van Sante
Op 22 nov 2009, om 23:31 heeft Roman Turovsky het volgende geschreven:
I am not a musicologist, besides being busy with another set of
Ukrainian variations.
Look up Pandura and Barbat on Wikipedia, for starters.
Then track down the Byzantine lute iconography from the pre- Iconoclasm
era (there are a few images available).
It is a simple bit of common sense which educated musicologists don't
have: a large and rich European Empire sutuated in both West and East
and possessing the lands where the lutes have supposedly originated.
RT
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lex van Sante" <[email protected]
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To: "lute mailing list list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 5:04 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Arabian past
I suppose that RT is a master in putting forward strong opinions
preferably without argumentation. This could be a way to stirr things
up. On the other hand his way of expressing himself makes staying on
topic a challenge.
I for one could live with some diplomacy around here.
Cheers to y'all!
Lex van Sante
Op 22 nov 2009, om 22:05 heeft Stephen Stubbs het volgende geschreven:
As the insult comic Don Rickles gets referred to as: Mr Warmth
I think of the very creative, talented, and highly intelligent Roman
Turovsky as: Mr Tact.
I too wish that Roman would expand on his interesting, but very
terse,
thoughts.
Best,
Stephen.
__________________________________________________________________
From: Franz Mechsner <[email protected]>
To: Daniel Winheld <[email protected]>; lute <[email protected]
>
Sent: Sun, November 22, 2009 1:22:33 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Arabian past
Hi Daniel,
I am sorry that you felt addressed by my not so polite remark - it
was
actually a (too) quick reaction to Roman's answer to my original
question. I felt somewhat mistreated by simply getting the message
that
all my assumptions on which the question were fallacious, full
stopp
-
with no further explanations. That style felt like a slap in the
face
instead of an answer, telling me mainly how ignorant I am (in
infinite
contrast to him) instead of giving me the chance to learn better.
Maybe I misunderstood his intention. Actually I would very much
like
to
understand his very interesting statements better and to judge
them.
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