[LUTE] Re: Terminology: brise

[damian dlugolecki]

I think Mathias comes closest to describing the 'luthé' style. 
The term
brisé is useful I think, but none of the terms come close to 
revealing
the essence of 17th century lute style.  It would be nice to 
be able
to post right here * a measure or two of tablature that 
exemplifies
the style, but unfortunately we don't have that capability.  I 
have yet to hear
a recording where one can actually hear the subtle beauty of 
harmonic tension
revealed in harmony as melody.  This can only be experienced 
by playing
the lute or being privileged to be sitting very close to a 
player, just as the
Burwell tutor says.  The key thing to keep in mind is the 
instructions of the
composers of the time, to hold down all the notes of a chord 
until you
absolutely must let them go.  That's basically it I think.
Damian

Arpègement is a word, indeed. The key point of that word has 
gone lost,
though, because today arpegiating is just one way of playing 
chords.
However, what happens to _parts_ that are written one above 
another,
when arpegiated, is that these parts are shifted 
rhythmically. (Look at
Perrine's book, there's no quick rolling of chords, they're 
all
arpegiated rhythmically.) You could just as well say, the 
voices are
broken. That's why definitions of playing techniques like 
separé or
arpègement don't yield descriptions of what accounts for 
pieces de
luth.

Mathias

   It isn't clear at all what luthe means, it could me 
"unmeasured" or
   refer to the separation of the bass and the treble, and 
so on.
   Sadly, most articles have an expiration date of say 
twenty years.
   dt
   At 06:09 PM 11/29/2009, you wrote:

     Danny & all:
     The article that best defines the terminology is
     "Style brise, Style luthe," and the "Choses luthees", 
by David J.
     Buch, The Musical Quarterly, Vol. 71, No. 1 (1985), 
pp. 52-67
     Best wishes,
     Ron Andrico
     [1]www.mignarda.com
     > Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:22:58 -0800
     > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
     > From: vidan...@sbcglobal.net
     > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Terminology: brise
     >
     > The fact that it has not yet been traced back
     > does not make it a modern term. Articles which
     > say that it cannot be traced do not even have a
     > footnote saying where they looked, they should
     > have just said they could not find it and listed
     > the sources. I doubt that all the sources have
     > been searched for it. In addition, the term
     > brisee means, among other things, plucked in the
     > 17th century, so it must have been used to
     > describe instruments like the harp and the lute.
     > Dictionaries give plucked as a definition as
     > early as ca1600. There may be even parallel
     > compounds like "accents brisees" that people have
     > not even looked for. Some of these may be related
     > terms, such as cadence brisee which is quite
     > early. I suspect there is a more than even chance
     > an earlier useage of the term will surface, and
     > then we can debate if luthe and brise are the same 
:)
     > As far as the term luthe, it would be better if
     > we can find out what the lute players called it
     > as the harpsichordists may have used a different 
term.
     > dt
     >
     > At 06:24 AM 11/29/2009, you wrote:
     > >Yes, good point, "style brise" is a modern term.
     > >It's better to use "style luthe" instead if we
     > >really have to use anything at all.
     > >
     > >JL
     > >
     > >
     > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Probert"
     <probe...@gmail.com>
     > >To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
     > >Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 10:34 AM
     > >Subject: [LUTE] Terminology: brise
     > >
     > >
     > >
     > >The recent thread on Saint Luc brought up the term 
"brise" (final
     > >e-accute) that I had not read before. So I went to 
Groves and
     found
     > >that "Style brise" refers to a broken appeggiation 
style, which,
     in
     > >reference to early French Baroque lute music, I am 
familiar with.
     > >
     > >Interestingly, that term, "Style brise", can't be 
traced back
     further
     > >than 1928 and one La Laurencie's "Les luthistes" 
(Paris, 1928).
     > >Apparently, back in the day, Couperin referred to 
the technique
     as
     > >'luthe'. Thing is, he was referring to 
harpsichordists using the
     lute
     > >style, not a lutenist using that style.
     > >
     > >So now we are describing a lute technique using a 
keyboard style
     name
     > >that was originally used to describe a lute style. 
Excellent!
     > >
     > >. mark
     > >
     > >
     > >
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