Makes me cringe, feeling secondhand embarrassment. So sorry, David. Seems to be a troll. He or she commented similarly on Arto's video (Gehema 1r-2r).
Mathias "David van Ooijen" <[email protected]> schrieb: > Ah, now I see. 62Konrad! It must be a 47 year old German lurker on > this list. I believe some of you have met him/her in cyberspace, as > his name crops up ever so often. > Anyway, for a good example of constructive critisism have a look his > remarks at one of my videos. Benign, to judge by remarks he has made > to others in the past. > > Here's to be found what he wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t93ZI56Vts4&feature=email > > For those of you less versed in German: it's about my pinky, my > joints, and I should take an example of Paul O'Dette. > > > David > > > > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 7:26 PM, David Tayler <[email protected]> wrote: > > Spaced wide enough or narrow enough, there are several ways to go. > > > > d > > > > At 03:46 AM 1/12/2010, you wrote: > >> > >> spaced wide enough to played without strings slapping together. > >> RT > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Wheeler" <[email protected]> > >> To: "'David Tayler'" <[email protected]>; "'lute-cs.dartmouth.edu'" > >> <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:09 AM > >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: constructive critical commentary > >> > >> > >> What exactly do you mean by "optimized for > >> tone and playability"? > >> Mark > >> > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > >> Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Im > >> Auftrag > >> von David Tayler > >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Januar 2010 01:20 > >> An: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu > >> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: constructive critical commentary > >> > >> I think one could offer constructive commentary that is a bit more > >> pointed that was of a statistical nature that might be helpful. > >> For example, one can say that out of say 500 videos > >> > >> 50 percent of the lutes do not have the string spacing optimized for > >> tone and playability > >> > >> But even this is sort of bordering on direct criticsim. > >> > >> dt > >> > >> > >> At 04:08 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote: > >>> > >>> I appreciate it when people point out mistakes, but it has to be handled > >> > >> well. > >>> > >>> For example, there are some videos where people are playing something > >>> twice as fast or twice as slow, double or half timing. > >>> Now it is obvious in this case that the player is not aware of it, > >>> and one *might* send a personal email alerting someone, or then again, > >>> not! > >>> If I had a glaring error I would probably take the video down and be > >>> grateful, or in some cases if it is just a wrong note I would leave > >>> it up and say, hey, I played a wrong note. > >>> > >>> On the other hand, most professional recordings of Dowland's > >>> Lachrimae and Johnson's Almaine have a mistake in the second > >>> bar--parallel fifths--and there really is no point in commenting or > >>> correcting this even in an email, although could post for example a > >>> corrected edition or start a discussion topic on the issue--without > >>> mentioning any names. > >>> > >>> No one is aware of all they mistakes they might make, at least as far > >>> as I can tell. > >>> For some younger or preprofessional players I occasionally consider > >>> mentioning some things that might prevent employment, but I have to > >>> say the reception for such information, however well--intentioned, is > >>> invariably tundra-esque. > >>> When I was starting out, I definitely appreciated people mentioning > >>> things like that, but I was trying to make a living and that puts you > >>> in a different frame of mind. > >>> > >>> The point is, there is first of all a privacy issue and second of all > >>> a colleague issue. > >>> When in doubt, say nothing at all. > >>> d > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> At 01:31 AM 1/11/2010, you wrote: > >>> >There seem to be several subject headers around dealing with what > >>> >this, I'll stick to this one. > >>> > > >>> >I've had my fair share of lessons and I teach. Lessons or commentary > >>> >from fellow students at a conservatory are not for people with a > >>> >fragile ego, but all comments are fair. People know what they talk > >>> >about, can clearly hear and see what's wrong with your playing and > >>> >will say so. And it's good they do, for that's the only way to become > >>> >better. The point is the comments are fair and made by people with > >>> >knowledge. Not everybody posting comments on YouTube is fair or knows > >>> >what he/she is writing about. Or, if I play a concert, people come to > >>> >me and say they liked. it. Of course I'm flattered, but what did they > >>> >like? Probably something completely different from what I tried to put > >>> >into the music. That's no problem, but the same is true with > >>> >criticism: what it is they didn't like, is not always a valid point > >>> >for me. I might lose some of my audience, but I cannot please > >>> >everybody. It is important to know who is saying something, to be able > >>> >to judge it well. I had a little girl of six in my audience last > >>> >Wednesday who thought it was utterly boring what I was doing, but her > >>> >sister of eight just loved it. Not because of the music, but because I > >>> >am her guitar teacher, I waved to her during the concert and was > >>> >playing _such_ a funny guitar! She had a great time despite the boring > >>> >music. > >>> > > >>> >Now for us commenting on each other's YouTube videos. Valery made the > >>> >point he knows what's there to improve in his playing and he doesn't > >>> >need to be reminded (sorry if I oversimplify his statement or have it > >>> >wrong. It is a point I want to make that actually does not need > >>> >Valery's playing, it is not about his playing at all, but the example > >>> >was conveniently at hand). Sorry, Valery, perhaps you don't, because I > >>> >think if you really did know what is there to improve and how to > >>> >improve it, you'd change it within weeks or months. One of my first > >>> >videos had too many funny faces, grimaces. I withdrew it. My debut > >>> >Baroque lute videos of last weekend received kind comments, I thank > >>> >you all, but I know my tone has to improve, not all is quite steady > >>> >and some ornaments were downright sloppy. Many of the lute players on > >>> >YouTube play not legato enough. Or should we blame their microphones? > >>> >Many don't hold notes to give them their 'proper' length, or is that > >>> >debatable? Anyway, do I tell them directly? No, because I don't know > >>> >them. I teach real people. People facing me, personalities I know. I > >>> >know their ambitions and their sensitivities. Both are needed to find > >>> >the right touch in making comments on their playing. What use is there > >>> >if someone hears from me his playing is not legato enough and he > >>> >should hold the bass, when all he wants is a pat on the back and > >>> >praise for his brave efforts? > >>> > > >>> >Sorry, got carried away. Real theorbo pupil coming in half an hour. > >>> > > >>> >David > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >-- > >>> >******************************* > >>> >David van Ooijen > >>> >[email protected] > >>> >www.davidvanooijen.nl > >>> >******************************* > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >To get on or off this list see list information at > >>> >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
