Mimo Peruffo has asked for this to be forwarded to the list.
MH
--- On Sat, 18/9/10, [email protected] <[email protected]>
wrote:
From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [LUTE] New Nylgut?
To: "Martyn Hodgson" <[email protected]>, "Anthony Hind"
<[email protected]>
Date: Saturday, 18 September, 2010, 21:23
hi anthony and martin,
just some precisations to avoid mistakes or misunderstandings.
both Sonylon and Slkgut have nothing to do with Early Music strings
please remember that early music string is just the 10% of our total
business; I mean that such products refers to modern music only.
concerning the New Nylgut: there is a difference between the new
nylgut for modern instruments (classical guitars, ukuleles ouds etc
etc) and the new nylgut for early music.
all things that anthony refers is for modern music only.
I developed a special new nylgut suitable for earlymusic. I wrote
nothing in matter till today
this material has the same colour of gut (it is not an ininfluent
detail: many hate the white color), it stretch much more less during
the tuning phase and it is stronger.
the density and other propeerties are the same like thee old white
production.
In practise it is always rectified in the same way as before.
you can immage that it stretch more or less like gut. the breacking
index is of 320 Hz mt. it breack to C note on a 63 cm g lute at 440 Hz
standard-pitch
loaded nylgut: I am still done some tests. nothing of usefull rfor the
market. the New Nylgut will be operative in the market after october
2010. I will sell the white version at lower price just to finish the
stock in faster way.
please can you add this notes to the lute chat? I cannot do this
because I stopped asubscription.
mimmo
----- Original Message -----
From: [1]Martyn Hodgson
To: [2]Anthony Hind
Cc: [3]Mimo Peruffo
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] New Nylgut?
Thank you for this Anthony.
Mimo is to be thanked, yet again, for his work and pioneering
efforts. I use Nylgut on many of my instruments. Clearly actual gut is
best but with a large number of instruments cost is a major factor for
me. And some instruments get a lot of play so there is a real need to
replace strings from time to time.
I'm not so bothered about the colour and, indeed, best conservation
practice is to distinguish between original materials and subsitutues.
What I really would like to see is:
1. Closer density to actual gut for mainstream Nylgut. I find I have
to use Nylgut thicker strings - even after allowing for thinning due to
stretching.
2. A higher density 'loaded' Nylgut to replicate (as far as possible)
loaded gut.
3. Is a twisted nylgut string a possibility or even made from more than
one nylgut strand (as plain gut)?
regards
Martyn
--- On Sat, 18/9/10, Anthony Hind <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Anthony Hind <[email protected]>
Subject: [LUTE] New Nylgut?
To: [email protected]
Date: Saturday, 18 September, 2010, 13:53
Dear Lutenists
It seems that Mimmo Peruffo of Aquila, who is by formation
a
chemical engineer, as well as a string maker, has been busy making
new
synthetic strings.
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Mimmo, fairly recently acquired an extrudor, as shown here:
[1][4]http://www.youtube.com/v/A5Yp1O3LS8U
and so I presume this has allowed him to develop these string on
site.
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The most interesting for lutenists and historical instrument
players,
would no doubt be the new nylgut, which has been developped to have
the
typical colour of gut and less stretch than the old NYLGUT.
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These were the two qualities of Nylgut that many lutenists disliked,
its white colour, and its great flexibility; some actually preferred
a
nylon top string, even when they used nylgut on lower strings.
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Have any of you had a chance to try these out? If so, how do they
actually compare, in your view, to the old nylgut?
Perhaps, this has already been discussed, here, and I have missed
the
posting, but the only reference to it, I have come accross on a web
search, is from the Ukele player, Ken Midlleton:
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"There is almost no difference in sound between the old Nylgut and
the
new ones. The main difference is the feel of them. The main
difference
in sound is the noise your fingers make when they move over the
strings. The newer ones are less noisy." KM
[2][5]http://tinyurl.com/2au4556
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Does this mean that the new Nylgut is smoother than the old one? If
so,
this one characteristic might actually be less like gut-like? I
remember, David Tayler's advice on sand papering Carbon strings in
order to diminish their bell-like sound associated with their
smoothness relative to gut.
However, the other new characteristics would probably be a welcome
improvement.
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K.M. is not comparing the New nylgut to gut, just with the old
version;
and so his remarks may not be significant for lute players.
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From KM's postings, I also learnt that Aquila has developped
a
new Bionylon. you can hear his Youtube recording comparing Bionylon
and the old Nylgut on the same Ukele model:
[3][6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4ILpHArVKw
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A search on Aquila's pages showed that this new "eco-friendly" nylon
string, is made mainly from "castor oil". It may become available in
diameters for use on lutes, but Aquila says :
"We recommend Bionylon(R) strings for all plucked instruments such
as
classical guitars and ukuleles. Colour: natural pearl"
[4][7]http://tinyurl.com/36x8fbj
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According to comments on KM's string test, Bionylon might be dryer
sounding than the old Nylgut.
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The same page on Materials used by Aquila, mentions a variant of
Nylgut
made specifically for guitar-players using nails, which they call
"Silkgut".
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"We can define Silkgut(R) like a cousin of Nylgut(R). The difference
between Nylgut(R) and Silkgut(R) is that the Silkgut(R) is a bit
stiffer than Nylgut(R). In other therms it last longer under the
finger
nails of guitar- players. Silkgut(R) is suitable for classical
guitar
Trebles and modern Harp's strings. Colour: silked."
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How Silkgut and the new Nylgut differ (apart from colour) is not
clear,
as presumably they are both stiffer than the old Nylgut.
Presumably, Silkgut is just not aimed at lute players, and it might
be
available in limited diameters.
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Do any of you have further information about any of these strings?
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How might the new Nylgut effect the sound and feel of wire-wound
Nylgut
strings, or might Mimmo produce a Nylgut specifically for this?
How about a loaded Nylgut bass string?
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Regards
Anthony
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References
1. [8]http://www.youtube.com/v/A5Yp1O3LS8U
2. [9]http://tinyurl.com/2au4556
3. [10]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4ILpHArVKw
4. [11]http://tinyurl.com/36x8fbj
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References
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2. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]
3. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]
4. http://www.youtube.com/v/A5Yp1O3LS8U
5. http://tinyurl.com/2au4556
6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4ILpHArVKw
7. http://tinyurl.com/36x8fbj
8. http://www.youtube.com/v/A5Yp1O3LS8U
9. http://tinyurl.com/2au4556
10. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4ILpHArVKw
11. http://tinyurl.com/36x8fbj
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