Dear Mimmo and Martyn
I think I was careful to say that Silkgut and Bionylon might
not be intended for lutes and historical instruments, but that the new
Nylgut presumably was so intended, but I do hope I was not too
misleading. Nevertheless, it is best to have this clarification
directly from Mimmo.
In any case, some lutenists may also play other instruments, and
therefore be interested in the other new strings; while some players
who are not "afraid" of using any synthetic strings type on their
lutes, may also try out these, if the right diameter exist. Many
already do use carbon fishing line, and some even Titanium loaded nylon
lines, so (while I will not be among them) I would not be surprised to
hear that someone will give these other new strings a go on their lute.
I suppose Martyn is right, if Nylgut is the same colour as gut, there
may be an even greater temptation to replace gut top strings, but
clearly most nylgut users will prefer a gut colour, and most will also
be pleased to have a stiffer nylgut.
Mimmo tells me that the rectification is identical to the old nylgut,
so it won't be smoother, and the density will also be identical; only
the colour, flexibity, and breaking strength will change, for which
most users will surely be thankful to Mimmo's ongoing research in many
different areas of string making.
Regards
Anthony
---- Message d'origine ----
>De : "Martyn Hodgson" <[email protected]>
>A : "Lute Dmth" <[email protected]>
>Objet : [LUTE] Re: New Nylgut?
>Date : 19/09/2010 08:28:40 CEST
>
>
> Mimo Peruffo has asked for this to be forwarded to the list.
>
> MH
> --- On Sat, 18/9/10, [email protected] <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [LUTE] New Nylgut?
> To: "Martyn Hodgson" <[email protected]>, "Anthony Hind"
> <[email protected]>
> Date: Saturday, 18 September, 2010, 21:23
>
> hi anthony and martin,
> just some precisations to avoid mistakes or misunderstandings.
> both Sonylon and Slkgut have nothing to do with Early Music strings
> please remember that early music string is just the 10% of our total
> business; I mean that such products refers to modern music only.
> concerning the New Nylgut: there is a difference between the new
> nylgut for modern instruments (classical guitars, ukuleles ouds etc
> etc) and the new nylgut for early music.
> all things that anthony refers is for modern music only.
> I developed a special new nylgut suitable for earlymusic. I wrote
> nothing in matter till today
> this material has the same colour of gut (it is not an ininfluent
> detail: many hate the white color), it stretch much more less during
> the tuning phase and it is stronger.
> the density and other propeerties are the same like thee old white
> production.
> In practise it is always rectified in the same way as before.
> you can immage that it stretch more or less like gut. the breacking
> index is of 320 Hz mt. it breack to C note on a 63 cm g lute at 440
Hz
> standard-pitch
> loaded nylgut: I am still done some tests. nothing of usefull rfor
the
> market. the New Nylgut will be operative in the market after october
> 2010. I will sell the white version at lower price just to finish the
> stock in faster way.
> please can you add this notes to the lute chat? I cannot do this
> because I stopped asubscription.
> mimmo
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: [1]Martyn Hodgson
>
> To: [2]Anthony Hind
>
> Cc: [3]Mimo Peruffo
>
> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 4:36 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [LUTE] New Nylgut?
>
> Thank you for this Anthony.
>
> Mimo is to be thanked, yet again, for his work and pioneering
> efforts. I use Nylgut on many of my instruments. Clearly actual gut
is
> best but with a large number of instruments cost is a major factor
for
> me. And some instruments get a lot of play so there is a real need to
> replace strings from time to time.
>
> I'm not so bothered about the colour and, indeed, best conservation
> practice is to distinguish between original materials and
subsitutues.
> What I really would like to see is:
>
> 1. Closer density to actual gut for mainstream Nylgut. I find I have
> to use Nylgut thicker strings - even after allowing for thinning due
to
> stretching.
>
> 2. A higher density 'loaded' Nylgut to replicate (as far as possible)
> loaded gut.
>
> 3. Is a twisted nylgut string a possibility or even made from more
than
> one nylgut strand (as plain gut)?
>
> regards
>
> Martyn
> --- On Sat, 18/9/10, Anthony Hind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> From: Anthony Hind <[email protected]>
> Subject: [LUTE] New Nylgut?
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Saturday, 18 September, 2010, 13:53
>
> Dear Lutenists
> It seems that Mimmo Peruffo of Aquila, who is by formation
> a
> chemical engineer, as well as a string maker, has been busy making
> new
> synthetic strings.
> %
> Mimmo, fairly recently acquired an extrudor, as shown here:
> [1][4][1]http://www.youtube.com/v/A5Yp1O3LS8U
> and so I presume this has allowed him to develop these string on
> site.
> %
> The most interesting for lutenists and historical instrument
> players,
> would no doubt be the new nylgut, which has been developped to have
> the
> typical colour of gut and less stretch than the old NYLGUT.
> %
> These were the two qualities of Nylgut that many lutenists disliked,
> its white colour, and its great flexibility; some actually preferred
> a
> nylon top string, even when they used nylgut on lower strings.
> %
> Have any of you had a chance to try these out? If so, how do they
> actually compare, in your view, to the old nylgut?
> Perhaps, this has already been discussed, here, and I have missed
> the
> posting, but the only reference to it, I have come accross on a web
> search, is from the Ukele player, Ken Midlleton:
> %
> "There is almost no difference in sound between the old Nylgut and
> the
> new ones. The main difference is the feel of them. The main
> difference
> in sound is the noise your fingers make when they move over the
> strings. The newer ones are less noisy." KM
> [2][5][2]http://tinyurl.com/2au4556
> %
> Does this mean that the new Nylgut is smoother than the old one? If
> so,
> this one characteristic might actually be less like gut-like? I
> remember, David Tayler's advice on sand papering Carbon strings in
> order to diminish their bell-like sound associated with their
> smoothness relative to gut.
> However, the other new characteristics would probably be a welcome
> improvement.
> %
> K.M. is not comparing the New nylgut to gut, just with the old
> version;
> and so his remarks may not be significant for lute players.
> %
> From KM's postings, I also learnt that Aquila has developped
> a
> new Bionylon. you can hear his Youtube recording comparing Bionylon
> and the old Nylgut on the same Ukele model:
> [3][6][3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4ILpHArVKw
> %
> A search on Aquila's pages showed that this new "eco-friendly" nylon
> string, is made mainly from "castor oil". It may become available in
> diameters for use on lutes, but Aquila says :
> "We recommend Bionylon(R) strings for all plucked instruments such
> as
> classical guitars and ukuleles. Colour: natural pearl"
> [4][7][4]http://tinyurl.com/36x8fbj
> %
> According to comments on KM's string test, Bionylon might be dryer
> sounding than the old Nylgut.
> %
> The same page on Materials used by Aquila, mentions a variant of
> Nylgut
> made specifically for guitar-players using nails, which they call
> "Silkgut".
> %
> "We can define Silkgut(R) like a cousin of Nylgut(R). The difference
> between Nylgut(R) and Silkgut(R) is that the Silkgut(R) is a bit
> stiffer than Nylgut(R). In other therms it last longer under the
> finger
> nails of guitar- players. Silkgut(R) is suitable for classical
> guitar
> Trebles and modern Harp's strings. Colour: silked."
> %
> How Silkgut and the new Nylgut differ (apart from colour) is not
> clear,
> as presumably they are both stiffer than the old Nylgut.
> Presumably, Silkgut is just not aimed at lute players, and it might
> be
> available in limited diameters.
> %
> Do any of you have further information about any of these strings?
> %
> How might the new Nylgut effect the sound and feel of wire-wound
> Nylgut
> strings, or might Mimmo produce a Nylgut specifically for this?
> How about a loaded Nylgut bass string?
> %
> Regards
> Anthony
> --
> References
> 1. [8][5]http://www.youtube.com/v/A5Yp1O3LS8U
> 2. [9][6]http://tinyurl.com/2au4556
> 3. [10][7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4ILpHArVKw
> 4. [11][8]http://tinyurl.com/36x8fbj
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References
1. http://www.youtube.com/v/A5Yp1O3LS8U
2. http://tinyurl.com/2au4556
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4ILpHArVKw
4. http://tinyurl.com/36x8fbj
5. http://www.youtube.com/v/A5Yp1O3LS8U
6. http://tinyurl.com/2au4556
7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4ILpHArVKw
8. http://tinyurl.com/36x8fbj
9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
10. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]
11. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]
12. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]
13. http://www.youtube.com/v/A5Yp1O3LS8U
14. http://tinyurl.com/2au4556
15. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4ILpHArVKw
16. http://tinyurl.com/36x8fbj
17. http://www.youtube.com/v/A5Yp1O3LS8U
18. http://tinyurl.com/2au4556
19. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4ILpHArVKw
20. http://tinyurl.com/36x8fbj
21. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
