Wolfgang, I only could find _those_ strings for 6th string G and under. Are you really talking of the same stuff - to me the 4th and 5th the Savarez KF's are/were the normal "carbons". The thicker ones have a "structure" that you can "open", those were called KFG's then.
Arto On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 22:31:40 +0100, "wolfgang wiehe" <[email protected]> wrote: > I like them, too. In unisono on the 4th and 5th course on my renaissance > lute. > W. > P.s. and if I remembered right in chemical analysis I found > fluoro-carbon > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Im > Auftrag von wikla > Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Dezember 2010 22:06 > An: Edward Martin > Cc: Martyn Hodgson; Lute List; Martin Shepherd > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Re New Savarez harp strings? > > > > Used those for years - they last forever... Never noticed any > inconsistencies in diameters, neither any falsinesses in tuning. The > very thick ones doesn't sound good, though, in the for lute acceptable > tensions... No sharp starting tone like gut, lazyness in gaining the > volume, no "click" there in the touch - nice sound after that anyhow. > Under 130 or perhaps under 120 very ok. I also am very interested, if > this technology is nowadays offered also to thinner than 90 or so > diameters! > > Best, > > Arto > > On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:15:19 -0600, Edward Martin <[email protected]> > wrote: >> I tried them years ago, but did not like them. Tey are clear, and >> have some sort of a clear wrap over a carbon core. >> >> I found them false, and in measuring diameters, they were >> inconsistent in their size, on the same string. >> >> ed >> >> At 07:45 AM 12/10/2010, Martyn Hodgson wrote: >> >>> Thank you for this Martin and Anthony. These strings are > interesting >>> as >>> a further alternative to loaded, wire wound and the 'spring' > string; >>> especially for those with a large number of instruments to string. >>> >>> I looked into these Saverez KF strings some time ago (are you > sure >>> they're 'new' out?) and had reports at the time that they were > simply >>> PVF(carbon) strings like any other of the same ilk. I'd be > grateful >>> for >>> any clarification you can offer. >>> >>> Martin, you say they only become multi strand above 0.95mm dia but > in >>> Anthony's message he gives someone using thinner KF strings with > the >>> implication that they are these new multi-strand type. 'an > example >>> of >>> the stringing he uses on a lute or 7c Vihuela : g' KFN33 - d' > KFN43 >>> - >>> a KFN52 - f KFN66-33 - c KFN84 - 43,5 - G KFN 112 - 57 - F KFN126 > - >>> 62.' Is it possible that the 'new' aspect of these KF strings are >>> that >>> Saverez now makes these multistrand strings at smaller diameters? >>> >>> What's the signoficance of the N in KFN? Does it mean new/nouveau > type >>> of KF strings? >>> >>> The Saverez website is next to useless only giving marketing blurb > and >>> lists of available sizes but says the strings are made from > 'composite >>> fibres' which again implies that all sizes are multi strand. They > also >>> make the claim that they are new but perhaps they simply haven't >>> updated an old website? >>> >>>ALLIANCE KF COMPOSITE, Strings for harp >>> >>>A real innovation! This strings are manufactured from composites >>>fibres >>> >>> A production which requires fine and sophisticated technologies > that >>> only Savarez could implement until now. >>> Thanks to the technologies, Savarez can produce strings which >>> geometrical qualities are perfect and which resist to the tensions >>> required by the harp. Many years of work and a focusing of > complicated >>> technologies were necessary to obtain such a result. >>> A long work on the molecules, some molecular relationships and the >>> rate >>> of "cristalinity" allow Savarez to obtain an elongation and an >>> elasticity identical to the ones of the gut. >>> The density of these strings is extremely close to the one of the > gut, >>> so the comparison takes more value. So though gut strings still > are >>> very popular, Alliance KF strings have a perfect alternative sound > for >>> those who wish to take profit of gut sound and synthetic strings >>> advantages. >>> >>> >>> --- On Fri, 10/12/10, Martin Shepherd <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> From: Martin Shepherd <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Re New Savarez harp strings? >>> To: "Lute List" <[email protected]> >>> Date: Friday, 10 December, 2010, 12:19 >>> >>> Dear All, >>> I have been using these KF strings for some years. The smallest >>> diameter is .95mm, but this is the equivalent of a gut string of > about >>> 1.07mm. The one I use is "KF95A", but I think the "A" just refers > to >>> the fact that it is a 2m length. It works well as a 5th course on > a >>> renaissance lute (with an octave - I have not tried unison). It > looks >>> more like a gut string, opaque rather than clear. I have not > tried >>> the >>> thicker strings, but it seems that it might be worth a try - I > think >>> Jacob Heringman may have done so. >>> I think the next size down is .91mm, but it is a plain > monofilament >>> PVF >>> string. I think some people are using them for a unison 5th > course. >>> Best wishes, >>> Martin >>> On 10/12/2010 10:05, Anthony Hind wrote: >>> > Dear Theo >>> > >>> > Just recently on the French Lute list, Carlos Gonzales, >>> president of the Sp >>> > anish Vihuela society, and lutemaker, has sopoken highly of > these >>> strings vihuel >>> > a (President Carlos Gonzales)spoke about this; >>> > >>> > See the thread here, >>> > $ >>> > Re: [Le_luth] Cordes vihuela - demande `a Carlos >>> > $ >>> > [1][1]http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/message/12239 >>> > $ >>> > has said that for the last few years he has been using these >>> Savarez KF >>> > strings made specially for harps, as basses for lutes > baroque >>> guitars >>> > and vihuelas. He confirms that they are made up of thinner >>> strands >>> > glued together, and that he finds them "very balanced, as > sweet >>> as the >>> > human voice". He admits that you need to get used to their >>> thickness, >>> > but it remains thinner than pure gut types. >>> > He gives an example of the stringing he uses on a lute or 7c >>> Vihuela : >>> > g' KFN33 - d' KFN43 - a KFN52 - f KFN66-33 - c KFN84 - 43,5 > - G >>> KFN 112 >>> > - 57 - F KFN126 - 62. >>> > He goes on to say that his wife has used them for some > years, >>> > and >>> that >>> > in his experience, it is hard to come back to wirewounds > after >>> using >>> > them. Although, he says he has heard that some players wax > their >>> wire >>> > wounds to make them less bright. >>> > $ >>> > It seems that at the next [2]Festival de Musica Antigua at >>> Gijon, the >>> > topic of strings will be on the agenda, and he hopes that it >>> > will >>> be >>> > possible to compare these harp strings, with Charles > Besnainou's >>> spring >>> > strings (Charles is invited to this meeting), and Mimmo >>> > Peruffo's >>> > loaded strings. Carlos hopes to make acoustic analyses of > these >>> > differents string types, in his sound laboratory. >>> > $ >>> > Please note that I am only reporting Carlos's words, and not >>> endorsing >>> > them, as I have never heard these strings. I have heard both >>> Charles >>> > Besnainou's ultra low impedance spring strings, and myself > use >>> low >>> > impedance loaded strings, which I find excellent, when used > in >>> the >>> > right combination of strings (see the recent loaded string >>> thread). >>> > Charles' spring strings can either be made of carbon or of > gut, >>> but I >>> > have only heard the gut strings on bowed instruments. I did > hear >>> his >>> > carbon springs on his lutes: I would say that they are very > free >>> and >>> > open, with excellent high frequency content (low impedance), > but >>> they >>> > also did add a plasticky sound to the overall sound-mix; > which >>> was not >>> > at all the case with the bowed gut spring strings. I wonder > to >>> what >>> > extent the KF harps stirings add that plasticky quality, or >>> whether the >>> > fact that they are composites gets round the bell like sound > of >>> most >>> > carbon strings. >>> > $ >>> > Stephen Gottlieb who is reputed for using only gut basses on > his >>> lutes >>> > (mainly those of George Stoppani), mentionned that he had > tried >>> some >>> > carbon KF basses, which he had had to cut down to get > through >>> > the >>> > bridge holes; but he said they were rather good. I imagine > these >>> could >>> > be the same strings. >>> > Regards >>> > Anthony >>> > epuis quelques annees j'utilise des cordes Savarez KF > conc,ues >>> pour les >>> > harpes "carbone file carbone". En fait se sont les cordes KF > `a >>> partir >>> > du diametre 0,95, au lieu d'etre du monofilament elles se >>> presentent >>> > sous la forme d'un monofilament avec des tres fins brins > colles. >>> Je les >>> > utilise pour les bourdons et on peut corder une vihuela, > une >>> guitare >>> > baroque ou un luth sept choeurs sans cordes filees metal. Je >>> trouve le >>> > son tres equilibre et les basses douces comme des voix > humaines. >>> Il >>> > faut s'y habituer aux grosses diametres , meme si en boyau > les >>> graves >>> > seraient encore plus grosses. >>> > Un exemple de cordage pour luth ou vihuela `a 7 choeurs: g' >>> > KFN33 >>> - d' >>> > KFN43 - a KFN52 - f KFN66-33 - c KFN84 - 43,5 - G KFN 112 - > 57 > - >>> F >>> > KFN126 - 62. >>> > Mon epouse Mabel les utilise depuis des annees, et il faut > dire >>> > qu'apres on a du mal `a revenir aux cordes filees metal. > J'ai >>> entendu >>> > dire que certains enduisent de cire les cordes filees pour > les >>> rendre >>> > plus mates, mais je n'ai jamais essaye. >>> > Cela dit on est toujours `a la recherche d'autres solutions, >>> comme les >>> > cordes spiralees de Charles Besnainou ou les cordes chargees > en >>> metal >>> > de Mimmo Peruffo. C'est pour c,a que j'aimerais qu'ils nous >>> parlent de >>> > leurs experiences `a Gijon et qu'on puisse les y analyser > dans >>> > l'atelier d'acoustique. >>> > Amities >>> > Carlos >>> > >>> > I was recently at a harp convention (wife is a harpist), and a > harp >>> repairman >>> > told me about a new advance in strings from Savarez, >>> > that they have produced a nylon string (NOT carbon fibre, nor > other >>> synthetic) >>> > that has fibres of some sort imbedded within, >>> > The fibres apparently lend both strength and warmth, to sound > and >>> feel more >>> > like gut. >>> > I checked the Savarez website but the site has scant information > (at >>> least in >>> > the english site). >>> > Does anyone know more about these strings, or is this just > rumor/bad >>> > information? >>> > cheers, trj >>> > >>> > -- >>> > To get on or off this list see list information at >>> > [3][2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> > >>> > -- >>> > >>> > References >>> > >>> > 1. [3]http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/message/12239 >>> > 2. [4]http://www.musicaantiguagijon.com/ >>> > 3. > [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> >>>References >>> >>> 1. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/message/12239 >>> 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> 3. http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/Le_luth/message/12239 >>> 4. http://www.musicaantiguagijon.com/ >>> 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> >> >> Edward Martin >> 2817 East 2nd Street >> Duluth, Minnesota 55812 >> e-mail: [email protected] >> voice: (218) 728-1202 >> http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name >> http://www.myspace.com/edslute
