Here weA go again with this debate.A I play lute and Oud A in a medieval ensemble , [1]www.estavel.org.A A I must say, that I like the sound of the Oud when playing Cantigas or Livre Vermeil stuff, however I move to a fretted luted for later stuff, Dufay, Landini, etc.
A I recently played a Cantigas program on the Oud, and Saz (fretted) combined with aA traditional algerianA andalucian group, it really sounded great. A I do believe I saw an early arabic drawing of a fretted lute, posted on this list at some point.A I think it's safe to assume that both co-existed. A undecidedfretfully A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier [2]www.estavel.org A On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Martin Shepherd <[3]mar...@luteshop.co.uk> wrote: I remember someone discussing a treatise by Al Kindi (? 11-12th century?) which discusses how to place frets on the oud and discusses Pythagorean schemes, etc. A - so it seems that at least some ouds had frets. A Can anyone supply the details? Martin On 22/05/2011 12:59, alexander wrote: These pictures here from Cantigas de Santa Maria were looked at up and down, by countless people. It is hard to deny that most likely, those lute-ouds do not have frets. [4]http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cantigas/images/03.gif Of course, some people argue that, as always, a pencil-challenged illuminator just did not care for drawing the frets. Then we look at a fretted and fretless guitar-things next to each other: [5]http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cantigas/images/15.gif LXR On Sun, 22 May 2011 09:42:06 +0200 David van Ooijen<[6]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> A wrote: Oh, people who know better should step in. What I understand is fretless oud playing is a relative modern (how modern I do not know) thing. What I understand is early (how early I do not know) Arabian music treatises have fretting schemes with tuning systems for oud. David - fretting for theorbo concert today -- To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [8]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. http://www.estavel.org/ 2. http://www.estavel.org/ 3. mailto:mar...@luteshop.co.uk 4. http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cantigas/images/03.gif 5. http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cantigas/images/15.gif 6. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. http://www.estavel.org/