On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 20:57:08 -0700, David Smith wrote > Excuse me for what may be a stupid question but which manuscripts > are Paris BN 1575 and BN 25391? I have tried to search for these > using Google with no success. Where are they located, names, and are > they available?
Sorry, I'm far away from my reference works, but I think these would be F-BN ..., meaning "France, Bibliotheque National ..." HTH Ralf Mattes > Regards > David Smith > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Mathias Rösel Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 2:46 PM > To: [email protected] Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo > > > I would object to the idea that some > > version is a "rewrite" of another version. I take all three version > > (guitar/theorbo/score) as renderings of the same compositional idea. > > A bit more than that, no? Exact transpositions of the same pieces, > I'd say. Perhaps we won't be able to tell which was first (as in > Lessing's Ring Parable), but it's pretty clear that one _was_ first > and the others are adaptations. > > > > These pieces were not published in print as theorbo pieces at all. > > > The publication of the Pieces de Theorbe et de Luth in 1716 suggests > > > that the music previously existed as theorbo music, but it wasn't > > > published in print. Saizenay is dated 1699, but R1575 (and its > > > sister ms.) is considerably earlier, probably. > > > > > You know of any source earlier than 1682? Would you mind sharing? > > Paris BN 1575 and BN 25391 are two theorbo mss. that abound with > music by de Visee. Some concordances with Saizenay, but both mss. > seem to be much earlier than 1699 and earlier than 1680, I'd say. > > > Why? It might well be a written down version of the "core" composition. > > The instrument-specific versions adapt to the resp. instruments range. > > I for one have never heard of such a thing like a core composition, > to be used for instrument-specific adaptations, in the 17th century. > > > But who claimed that? The statement I questioned (and still do) was > > that since the scored version is a forth higher that implies a theorbo > > tuned a forth higher. > > An idea that was positively maintained e. g. by Jose Moreno in the booklet > to his CD with music by de Visee. I agree with you in doubting it. > > Mathias > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- R. Mattes - Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg [email protected]
