Hi Mathias,

The piece has a title. It is a setting of "the Widow" by Simon Ives.
It is to be found on the CD "Old Gautiers Nightingall"

Cheers! 

Lex


Op 9 jan 2012, om 20:24 heeft Mathias Rösel het volgende geschreven:

>> I'm pretty certain it is a jigge or gigue.
>> Look in Dufault or Mercure for similar pieces.
> 
> Not convinced. I've run though the CNRS editions (Dufaut, 2nd ed., and
> Mercure; btw,there are not more than three gigues by Mercure at all). None
> of all these gigues in triple time shows the characteristic rhythm of the
> piece at stake, i.e. crotchet - minim. 
> On the other hand, this piece lacks the characteristic rhythm of most of
> Dufaut's and Mercure's gigues in triple time, i.e. dotted crotchet - quaver
> - crotchet. No, I don't think it's a gigue.
> 
> What is striking, is that this pieces has sequenced motives, i.e. phrases
> that are repeated on different pitches, in all of its three sections. And
> the melody is nowhere broken. I'm suspicious it could be an English song
> among all of the French and Scottish music in that book. But, alas, I'm not
> familiar with English tunes of the 1630ies. - Anyone?
> 
> Mathias
> 
>>> 
>>> Please find the related files attached. Curious, what you think about
> it!
>>> 
>>> Mathias
>>> 
>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>> Von: Lex van Sante [mailto:[email protected]]
>>>> Gesendet: Montag, 9. Januar 2012 17:54
>>>> An: Mathias Rösel
>>>> Betreff: Re: [LUTE] Dance in time
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Mathias,
>>>> 
>>>> Where can I find Panmure 5 so I can get an idea of the music you are
>>> talking
>>>> about?
>>>> I suppose it is for a 10 course lute tunes in one of the transitional
>>> tunings.
>>>> Do you have a copy or a link?
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers!
>>>> 
>>>> Lex
>>>> Op 8 jan 2012, om 14:27 heeft Mathias Rösel het volgende geschreven:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dear everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> There is a dance in triple time in Panmure 5, fol. 17v-18, that
>>>>> probably is neither a courante nor a sarabande, lacking their
>>>>> chracteristic rhythms. It has hemiolas in cadences, but also other
>>>>> characteristic rhythms, though, like crotchet - minim at some ends
>>>>> of  phrases, or crotchet - dotted crotchet - two semiquavers / one
>>>>> quaver  (marking the ends of hemiolas).
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Some say it's a country dance. Yet I wonder if English country
>>>>> dances  (and masques, for that matter) come in even time?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mathias
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>> <Panmure-5_Country-dance.pdf><Panmure-5_Country-dance.mid>
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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