> In fact, it was already listed as such for some time in the database for Pièces en > Accords Nouveaux". See www.accordsnouveaux.ch
Erm, no. Source, chapter and verse, yes, but not its correct title. Please correct me, if I'm wrong. In the maitrise, the piece is listed as country dance (in brackets). That seemed improbable to me, and that's why I was looking for the correct title. Mathias > -------Messaggio originale------- > > Da: Mathias Rösel > Data: 10/01/2012 17.44.06 > A: 'lute mailing list list' > Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: Dance in time > > Dear Lex, > > You made my day. Thank you very much! > > Mathias > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Im > > Auftrag von Lex van Sante > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Januar 2012 11:40 > > An: Mathias Rösel; lute mailing list list > > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Dance in time > > > > Hi Mathias, > > > > The piece has a title. It is a setting of "the Widow" by Simon Ives. > > It is to be found on the CD "Old Gautiers Nightingall" > > > > Cheers! > > > > Lex > > > > > > Op 9 jan 2012, om 20:24 heeft Mathias Rösel het volgende geschreven: > > > > >> I'm pretty certain it is a jigge or gigue. > > >> Look in Dufault or Mercure for similar pieces. > > > > > > Not convinced. I've run though the CNRS editions (Dufaut, 2nd ed., > > > and Mercure; btw,there are not more than three gigues by Mercure at all). > > > None of all these gigues in triple time shows the characteristic > > > rhythm of the piece at stake, i.e. crotchet - minim. > > > On the other hand, this piece lacks the characteristic rhythm of > > > most of Dufaut's and Mercure's gigues in triple time, i.e. dotted > > > crotchet > > > - quaver > > > - crotchet. No, I don't think it's a gigue. > > > > > > What is striking, is that this pieces has sequenced motives, i.e. > > > phrases that are repeated on different pitches, in all of its three > > > sections. And the melody is nowhere broken. I'm suspicious it could > > > be an English song among all of the French and Scottish music in > > > that book. But, alas, I'm not familiar with English tunes of the > > > 1630ies. - > Anyone? > > > > > > Mathias > > > > > >>> > > >>> Please find the related files attached. Curious, what you think > > >>> about > > > it! > > >>> > > >>> Mathias > > >>> > > >>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > >>>> Von: Lex van Sante [mailto:[email protected]] > > >>>> Gesendet: Montag, 9. Januar 2012 17:54 > > >>>> An: Mathias Rösel > > >>>> Betreff: Re: [LUTE] Dance in time > > >>>> > > >>>> Hi Mathias, > > >>>> > > >>>> Where can I find Panmure 5 so I can get an idea of the music you > > >>>> are > > >>> talking > > >>>> about? > > >>>> I suppose it is for a 10 course lute tunes in one of the > > >>>> transitional > > >>> tunings. > > >>>> Do you have a copy or a link? > > >>>> > > >>>> Cheers! > > >>>> > > >>>> Lex > > >>>> Op 8 jan 2012, om 14:27 heeft Mathias Rösel het volgende geschreven: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Dear everyone, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> There is a dance in triple time in Panmure 5, fol. 17v-18, that > > >>>>> probably is neither a courante nor a sarabande, lacking their > > >>>>> chracteristic rhythms. It has hemiolas in cadences, but also > > >>>>> other characteristic rhythms, though, like crotchet - minim at > > >>>>> some ends of phrases, or crotchet - dotted crotchet - two > > >>>>> semiquavers / one quaver (marking the ends of hemiolas). > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Some say it's a country dance. Yet I wonder if English country > > >>>>> dances (and masques, for that matter) come in even time? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Mathias > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> To get on or off this list see list information at > > >>>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >>> > > >>> <Panmure-5_Country-dance.pdf><Panmure-5_Country-dance.mid> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------Boundary-00=_2KDLDTD5BHK000000000 > Content-Type: Text/HTML; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > <HTML><HEAD> > <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> > <META content="IncrediMail 1.0" name=GENERATOR> > <STYLE>v\:* { > BEHAVIOR: url (#default#vml) > } > </STYLE> > > <!--IncrdiXMLRemarkStart> > <IncrdiX-Info> > <X-FID>81962FC4-3A96-4457-8296-61B8B5A02951</X-FID> > <X-FVER></X-FVER> > <X-FIT></X-FIT> > <X-FILE></X-FILE> > <X-FCOL></X-FCOL> > <X-FCAT></X-FCAT> > <X-FDIS></X-FDIS> > <X-Extensions></X-Extensions> > <X-BG></X-BG> > <X-BGT>repeat</X-BGT> > <X-BGC>#ffffff</X-BGC> > <X-BGPX></X-BGPX> > <X-BGPY></X-BGPY> > <X-ASN></X-ASN> > <X-ASNF></X-ASNF> > <X-ASH></X-ASH> > <X-ASHF></X-ASHF> > <X-AN></X-AN> > <X-ANF></X-ANF> > <X-AP></X-AP> > <X-APF></X-APF> > <X-AD></X-AD> > <X-ADF></X-ADF> > <X-AUTO>X-ASN,X-ASH,X-AN,X-AP,X-AD</X-AUTO> > <X-CNT>;</X-CNT> > </IncrdiX-Info> > <IncrdiXMLRemarkEnd--> > </HEAD> > <BODY bottomMargin=5 bgColor=#ffffff leftMargin=5 topMargin=5 scroll=yes > rightMargin=5 marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" webfixed="1"> <TABLE > id=INCREDIMAINTABLE height="100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 > width="100%" bgColor=#f5f1e6 background=cid:102784AE-6E49-461D-8A65- > 93223DA90308 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD id=INCREDITEXTREGION > style="PADDING-RIGHT: 20px; PADDING-LEFT: 20px; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; > PADDING-BOTTOM: 20px; COLOR: #3a2d07; DIRECTION: ltr; PADDING-TOP: > 20px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; POSITION: relative" vAlign=top> <DIV > id=INCREDI_TEXT_AREA style="PADDING-LEFT: 2px"> <DIV> <DIV>In fact, it was > already listed as such for some time in the database for "Pièces en > Accords Nouveaux". See <A > href="http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch";>www.accordsnouveaux.ch</A></DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV>Peter</DIV></DIV></DIV> > <DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV id=IncrediOriginalMessage dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I>------- > Messaggio originale-------</I></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV > id=receivestrings> <DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>Da:</B></I> <A > href="mailto:[email protected]";>Mathias Rösel</A></DIV> <DIV > dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>Data:</B></I> 10/01/2012 > 17.44.06</DIV> <DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>A:</B></I> <A > href="mailto:[email protected]";>'lute mailing list list'</A></DIV> <DIV > dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>Oggetto:</B></I> [LUTE] Re: Dance in > time</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dear Lex,</DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You made my day. Thank you very much!</DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mathias</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>> ----- > Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----</DIV> <DIV>> Von: <A href="mailto:lute- > [email protected]">[email protected]</A> [<A href="mailto:lute- > [email protected]">mailto:[email protected]</A>] Im</DIV> > <DIV>> Auftrag von Lex van Sante</DIV> <DIV>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. > Januar 2012 11:40</DIV> <DIV>> An: Mathias Rösel; lute mailing list > list</DIV> <DIV>> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Dance in time</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> > <DIV>> Hi Mathias,</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>> The piece has a title. > It is a setting of "the Widow" by Simon Ives.</DIV> <DIV>> It is to be found > on the CD "Old Gautiers Nightingall"</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>> > Cheers!</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>> Lex</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> > <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>> Op 9 jan 2012, om 20:24 heeft Mathias Rösel het > volgende geschreven:</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>> >> I'm pretty > certain it is a jigge or gigue.</DIV> <DIV>> >> Look in Dufault or > Mercure for similar pieces.</DIV> <DIV>> ></DIV> <DIV>> > Not > convinced. I've run though the CNRS editions (Dufaut, 2nd ed., and</DIV> > <DIV>> > Mercure; btw,there are not more than three gigues by Mercure > at all).</DIV> <DIV>> > None of all these gigues in triple time shows the > characteristic</DIV> <DIV>> > rhythm of the piece at stake, i.e. crotchet - > minim.</DIV> <DIV>> > On the other hand, this piece lacks the > characteristic rhythm of most</DIV> <DIV>> > of Dufaut's and Mercure's > gigues in triple time, i.e. dotted crotchet</DIV> <DIV>> > - quaver</DIV> > <DIV>> > - crotchet. No, I don't think it's a gigue.</DIV> <DIV>> > ></DIV> <DIV>> > What is striking, is that this pieces has sequenced > motives, i.e.</DIV> <DIV>> > phrases that are repeated on different > pitches, in all of its three</DIV> <DIV>> > sections. And the melody is > nowhere broken. I'm suspicious it could be</DIV> <DIV>> > an English > song among all of the French and Scottish music in that</DIV> <DIV>> > > book. But, alas, I'm not familiar with English tunes of the 1630ies. -</DIV> > <DIV>Anyone?</DIV> <DIV>> ></DIV> <DIV>> > Mathias</DIV> > <DIV>> ></DIV> <DIV>> >>></DIV> <DIV>> >>> > Please find the related files attached. Curious, what you think</DIV> <DIV>> > >>> about</DIV> <DIV>> > it!</DIV> <DIV>> > >>></DIV> <DIV>> >>> Mathias</DIV> <DIV>> > >>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht--- > --</DIV> <DIV>> >>>> Von: Lex van Sante [<A > href="mailto:[email protected]";>mailto:[email protected]</A>]</DIV> > <DIV>> >>>> Gesendet: Montag, 9. Januar 2012 17:54</DIV> > <DIV>> >>>> An: Mathias Rösel</DIV> <DIV>> > >>>> Betreff: Re: [LUTE] Dance in time</DIV> <DIV>> > >>>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>> Hi Mathias,</DIV> > <DIV>> >>>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>> Where can I > find Panmure 5 so I can get an idea of the music you</DIV> <DIV>> > >>>> are</DIV> <DIV>> >>> talking</DIV> <DIV>> > >>>> about?</DIV> <DIV>> >>>> I suppose it is for a > 10 course lute tunes in one of the</DIV> <DIV>> >>>> > transitional</DIV> <DIV>> >>> tunings.</DIV> <DIV>> > >>>> Do you have a copy or a link?</DIV> <DIV>> > >>>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>> Cheers!</DIV> <DIV>> > >>>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>> Lex</DIV> <DIV>> > >>>> Op 8 jan 2012, om 14:27 heeft Mathias Rösel het volgende > geschreven:</DIV> <DIV>> >>>></DIV> <DIV>> > >>>>> Dear everyone,</DIV> <DIV>> > >>>>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>>></DIV> <DIV>> > >>>>> There is a dance in triple time in Panmure 5, fol. 17v-18, > that</DIV> <DIV>> >>>>> probably is neither a courante nor > a sarabande, lacking their</DIV> <DIV>> >>>>> chracteristic > rhythms. It has hemiolas in cadences, but also other</DIV> <DIV>> > >>>>> characteristic rhythms, though, like crotchet - minim at > some ends</DIV> <DIV>> >>>>> of phrases, or > crotchet - dotted crotchet - two semiquavers / one</DIV> <DIV>> > >>>>> quaver (marking the ends of > hemiolas).</DIV> <DIV>> >>>>></DIV> <DIV>> > >>>>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>>> Some say it's a > country dance. Yet I wonder if English country</DIV> <DIV>> > >>>>> dances (and masques, for that matter) come > in even time?</DIV> <DIV>> >>>>></DIV> <DIV>> > >>>>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>>> Mathias</DIV> > <DIV>> >>>>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>>> -- > </DIV> <DIV>> >>>>></DIV> <DIV>> > >>>>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>>> To get on or off > this list see list information at</DIV> <DIV>> >>>>> <A > href="http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute- > admin/index.html">http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute- > admin/index.html</A></DIV> > <DIV>> >>></DIV> > <DIV>> >>> <Panmure-5_Country-dance.pdf><Panmure- > 5_Country-dance.mid></DIV> > <DIV>> >></DIV> > <DIV>> >></DIV> > <DIV>> ></DIV> > <DIV>> ></DIV> > <DIV>> ></DIV> > <DIV>> ></DIV> > <DIV>></DIV> > <DIV>></DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV> </DIV> > <DIV> </DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><SPAN > id=IncrediStamp><A > href="http://www.incredimail.com/?id=603560&rui=95898138&sd=20 > 120110"><SPAN name="imgCache" border="0"><IMG alt="Animazioni > GRATUITE per le tue e-mail - da IncrediMail! 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