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In fact, it was already listed as such for some time in the database for Pièces en Accords Nouveaux". See www.accordsnouveaux.ch Peter -------Messaggio originale------- Da: Mathias Rösel Data: 10/01/2012 17.44.06 A: 'lute mailing list list' Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: Dance in time Dear Lex, You made my day. Thank you very much! Mathias > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Im > Auftrag von Lex van Sante > Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Januar 2012 11:40 > An: Mathias Rösel; lute mailing list list > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Dance in time > > Hi Mathias, > > The piece has a title. It is a setting of "the Widow" by Simon Ives. > It is to be found on the CD "Old Gautiers Nightingall" > > Cheers! > > Lex > > > Op 9 jan 2012, om 20:24 heeft Mathias Rösel het volgende geschreven: > > >> I'm pretty certain it is a jigge or gigue. > >> Look in Dufault or Mercure for similar pieces. > > > > Not convinced. I've run though the CNRS editions (Dufaut, 2nd ed., and > > Mercure; btw,there are not more than three gigues by Mercure at all). > > None of all these gigues in triple time shows the characteristic > > rhythm of the piece at stake, i.e. crotchet - minim. > > On the other hand, this piece lacks the characteristic rhythm of most > > of Dufaut's and Mercure's gigues in triple time, i.e. dotted crotchet > > - quaver > > - crotchet. No, I don't think it's a gigue. > > > > What is striking, is that this pieces has sequenced motives, i.e. > > phrases that are repeated on different pitches, in all of its three > > sections. And the melody is nowhere broken. I'm suspicious it could be > > an English song among all of the French and Scottish music in that > > book. But, alas, I'm not familiar with English tunes of the 1630ies. - Anyone? > > > > Mathias > > > >>> > >>> Please find the related files attached. Curious, what you think > >>> about > > it! > >>> > >>> Mathias > >>> > >>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > >>>> Von: Lex van Sante [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>> Gesendet: Montag, 9. Januar 2012 17:54 > >>>> An: Mathias Rösel > >>>> Betreff: Re: [LUTE] Dance in time > >>>> > >>>> Hi Mathias, > >>>> > >>>> Where can I find Panmure 5 so I can get an idea of the music you > >>>> are > >>> talking > >>>> about? > >>>> I suppose it is for a 10 course lute tunes in one of the > >>>> transitional > >>> tunings. > >>>> Do you have a copy or a link? > >>>> > >>>> Cheers! > >>>> > >>>> Lex > >>>> Op 8 jan 2012, om 14:27 heeft Mathias Rösel het volgende geschreven: > >>>> > >>>>> Dear everyone, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> There is a dance in triple time in Panmure 5, fol. 17v-18, that > >>>>> probably is neither a courante nor a sarabande, lacking their > >>>>> chracteristic rhythms. It has hemiolas in cadences, but also other > >>>>> characteristic rhythms, though, like crotchet - minim at some ends > >>>>> of phrases, or crotchet - dotted crotchet - two semiquavers / one > >>>>> quaver (marking the ends of hemiolas). > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Some say it's a country dance. Yet I wonder if English country > >>>>> dances (and masques, for that matter) come in even time? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Mathias > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> To get on or off this list see list information at > >>>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >>> > >>> <Panmure-5_Country-dance.pdf><Panmure-5_Country-dance.mid> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > --------------Boundary-00=_2KDLDTD5BHK000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="IncrediMail 1.0" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE>v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url (#default#vml) } </STYLE> <!--IncrdiXMLRemarkStart> <IncrdiX-Info> <X-FID>81962FC4-3A96-4457-8296-61B8B5A02951</X-FID> <X-FVER></X-FVER> <X-FIT></X-FIT> <X-FILE></X-FILE> <X-FCOL></X-FCOL> <X-FCAT></X-FCAT> <X-FDIS></X-FDIS> <X-Extensions></X-Extensions> <X-BG></X-BG> <X-BGT>repeat</X-BGT> <X-BGC>#ffffff</X-BGC> <X-BGPX></X-BGPX> <X-BGPY></X-BGPY> <X-ASN></X-ASN> <X-ASNF></X-ASNF> <X-ASH></X-ASH> <X-ASHF></X-ASHF> <X-AN></X-AN> <X-ANF></X-ANF> <X-AP></X-AP> <X-APF></X-APF> <X-AD></X-AD> <X-ADF></X-ADF> <X-AUTO>X-ASN,X-ASH,X-AN,X-AP,X-AD</X-AUTO> <X-CNT>;</X-CNT> </IncrdiX-Info> <IncrdiXMLRemarkEnd--> </HEAD> <BODY bottomMargin=5 bgColor=#ffffff leftMargin=5 topMargin=5 scroll=yes rightMargin=5 marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" webfixed="1"> <TABLE id=INCREDIMAINTABLE height="100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" bgColor=#f5f1e6 background=cid:102784AE-6E49-461D-8A65-93223DA90308 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD id=INCREDITEXTREGION style="PADDING-RIGHT: 20px; PADDING-LEFT: 20px; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 20px; COLOR: #3a2d07; DIRECTION: ltr; PADDING-TOP: 20px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; POSITION: relative" vAlign=top> <DIV id=INCREDI_TEXT_AREA style="PADDING-LEFT: 2px"> <DIV> <DIV>In fact, it was already listed as such for some time in the database for "Pièces en Accords Nouveaux". See <A href="http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch";>www.accordsnouveaux.ch</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Peter</DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV id=IncrediOriginalMessage dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I>-------Messaggio originale-------</I></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV id=receivestrings> <DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>Da:</B></I> <A href="mailto:[email protected]";>Mathias Rösel</A></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>Data:</B></I> 10/01/2012 17.44.06</DIV> <DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>A:</B></I> <A href="mailto:[email protected]";>'lute mailing list list'</A></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>Oggetto:</B></I> [LUTE] Re: Dance in time</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dear Lex,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You made my day. Thank you very much!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mathias</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----</DIV> <DIV>> Von: <A href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</A> [<A href="mailto:[email protected]";>mailto:[email protected]</A>] Im</DIV> <DIV>> Auftrag von Lex van Sante</DIV> <DIV>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Januar 2012 11:40</DIV> <DIV>> An: Mathias Rösel; lute mailing list list</DIV> <DIV>> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Dance in time</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>> Hi Mathias,</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>> The piece has a title. It is a setting of "the Widow" by Simon Ives.</DIV> <DIV>> It is to be found on the CD "Old Gautiers Nightingall"</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>> Cheers!</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>> Lex</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>> Op 9 jan 2012, om 20:24 heeft Mathias Rösel het volgende geschreven:</DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>> >> I'm pretty certain it is a jigge or gigue.</DIV> <DIV>> >> Look in Dufault or Mercure for similar pieces.</DIV> <DIV>> ></DIV> <DIV>> > Not convinced. I've run though the CNRS editions (Dufaut, 2nd ed., and</DIV> <DIV>> > Mercure; btw,there are not more than three gigues by Mercure at all).</DIV> <DIV>> > None of all these gigues in triple time shows the characteristic</DIV> <DIV>> > rhythm of the piece at stake, i.e. crotchet - minim.</DIV> <DIV>> > On the other hand, this piece lacks the characteristic rhythm of most</DIV> <DIV>> > of Dufaut's and Mercure's gigues in triple time, i.e. dotted crotchet</DIV> <DIV>> > - quaver</DIV> <DIV>> > - crotchet. No, I don't think it's a gigue.</DIV> <DIV>> ></DIV> <DIV>> > What is striking, is that this pieces has sequenced motives, i.e.</DIV> <DIV>> > phrases that are repeated on different pitches, in all of its three</DIV> <DIV>> > sections. And the melody is nowhere broken. I'm suspicious it could be</DIV> <DIV>> > an English song among all of the French and Scottish music in that</DIV> <DIV>> > book. But, alas, I'm not familiar with English tunes of the 1630ies. -</DIV> <DIV>Anyone?</DIV> <DIV>> ></DIV> <DIV>> > Mathias</DIV> <DIV>> ></DIV> <DIV>> >>></DIV> <DIV>> >>> Please find the related files attached. Curious, what you think</DIV> <DIV>> >>> about</DIV> <DIV>> > it!</DIV> <DIV>> >>></DIV> <DIV>> >>> Mathias</DIV> <DIV>> >>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----</DIV> <DIV>> >>>> Von: Lex van Sante [<A href="mailto:[email protected]";>mailto:[email protected]</A>]</DIV> <DIV>> >>>> Gesendet: Montag, 9. Januar 2012 17:54</DIV> <DIV>> >>>> An: Mathias Rösel</DIV> <DIV>> >>>> Betreff: Re: [LUTE] Dance in time</DIV> <DIV>> >>>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>> Hi Mathias,</DIV> <DIV>> >>>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>> Where can I find Panmure 5 so I can get an idea of the music you</DIV> <DIV>> >>>> are</DIV> <DIV>> >>> talking</DIV> <DIV>> >>>> about?</DIV> <DIV>> >>>> I suppose it is for a 10 course lute tunes in one of the</DIV> <DIV>> >>>> transitional</DIV> <DIV>> >>> tunings.</DIV> <DIV>> >>>> Do you have a copy or a link?</DIV> <DIV>> >>>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>> Cheers!</DIV> <DIV>> >>>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>> Lex</DIV> <DIV>> >>>> Op 8 jan 2012, om 14:27 heeft Mathias Rösel het volgende geschreven:</DIV> <DIV>> >>>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>>> Dear everyone,</DIV> <DIV>> >>>>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>>> There is a dance in triple time in Panmure 5, fol. 17v-18, that</DIV> <DIV>> >>>>> probably is neither a courante nor a sarabande, lacking their</DIV> <DIV>> >>>>> chracteristic rhythms. It has hemiolas in cadences, but also other</DIV> <DIV>> >>>>> characteristic rhythms, though, like crotchet - minim at some ends</DIV> <DIV>> >>>>> of phrases, or crotchet - dotted crotchet - two semiquavers / one</DIV> <DIV>> >>>>> quaver (marking the ends of hemiolas).</DIV> <DIV>> >>>>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>>> Some say it's a country dance. Yet I wonder if English country</DIV> <DIV>> >>>>> dances (and masques, for that matter) come in even time?</DIV> <DIV>> >>>>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>>> Mathias</DIV> <DIV>> >>>>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>>> --</DIV> <DIV>> >>>>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>>></DIV> <DIV>> >>>>> To get on or off this list see list information at</DIV> <DIV>> >>>>> <A href="http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html";>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html</A></DIV> <DIV>> >>></DIV> <DIV>> >>> <Panmure-5_Country-dance.pdf><Panmure-5_Country-dance.mid></DIV> <DIV>> >></DIV> <DIV>> >></DIV> <DIV>> ></DIV> <DIV>> ></DIV> <DIV>> ></DIV> <DIV>> ></DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV>></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><SPAN id=IncrediStamp><A href="http://www.incredimail.com/?id=603560&rui=95898138&sd=20120110";><SPAN name="imgCache" border="0"><IMG alt="Animazioni GRATUITE per le tue e-mail - da IncrediMail! 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