At the risk of dragging this thread out too long, I would note that Ben Bagby's brother, Steve, was an exceptionally talented musician also - a jazz drummer. He lived here in Miami, played in the south Florida area, and taught at the U of M towards the end of his career. In the jazz world, he was held in esteem in much the same measure as is Ben in the early music world. He spoke often and admiringly about Ben. He passed away some years ago. On Mar 31, 2012, at 12:19 PM, David Tayler wrote:
> Absolutely no similarity in style :) > A lot of people, probably fifty who went on to be professionals in > Early Music, were at Iadone's program in Putney VT, so you would have a > good bar bet as to who was the best known, but Tyler and Binkley would > be right up there in the lute world, and of course Bagby, Taruskin, > Bernfeld, Cunningham, Western Wind singers, you name it. > I suppose technically, WD Snodgrass was probably a lot better known > than Tyler or Binkley, and he did have the first theorbo in America, I > imagine. > You can see some amazing banjo playing by Tyler on youtube. > I remember from those days also Richard Dyer-Bennett visited, perhaps > the year was 1972 that he was there. > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: William Samson <[email protected]> > To: Edward Mast <[email protected]> > Cc: Lute List <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, March 28, 2012 6:14:15 AM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Right hand plucking position - was Re: Quality vs > Quantity > Jim was one of these rare birds - a very fine musician AND a > respected > musicologist. > Bill > From: Edward Mast <[1][email protected]> > To: William Samson <[2][email protected]> > Cc: Lute List <[3][email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, 28 March 2012, 13:45 > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Right hand plucking position - was Re: Quality vs > Quantity > Hi Bill, > Certainly Jim Tyler would be the most well known (at least as a > performer) of Iadone's students. But I don't know if there is any > similarity in playing styles - I haven't really heard Tyler. Chris > williams studied with Iadone and recorded a bit with the NY Pro > Musica, > as did Lucy Cross. But Iadone was a unique musician; the only > comparisons that come to mind are musicians such as Art Tatum or > Oscar > Peterson. He developed that kind of rhythmic excitement. I attended > some of the summer music workshops that he directed, and never had a > lute lesson or heard a lute solo. All ensemble work, singing, > theory, > or lute songs, and of course faculty and student concerts - but no > solos. A different emphasis. > Best, > Ned > On Mar 28, 2012, at 3:18 AM, William Samson wrote: >> Hi Ned, >> It looks like quite an independent strand of development of lute > technique was developed by Iadone, likely starting with the same > sources as Poulton used. I think Diana Poulton and Susanne Bloch > became great friends in the '60s, but I could have my date wrong > there. Diana did attend at least one LSA get-together. >> I would guess Iadone's influence on this side of the Pond mostly > came > via his student, the great Jim Tyler, who lived in London for many > years. >> I wondered if Paul O'Dette had studied lute with him, but as far as > I > can see the only lutenist teacher mentioned in his resume is Eugen > Dombois - yet another strand! >> Best regards, >> Bill >> >> From: Edward Mast <[1][4][email protected]> >> To: William Samson <[2][5][email protected]> >> Cc: Lute List <[3][6][email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, 27 March 2012, 21:36 >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Right hand plucking position - was Re: Quality > vs > Quantity >> >> Fortunately, I think, Iadone had no teacher (of lute) . He was > from > quite a different musical and lute 'family' than Dolmetsch and > Poulton; no relation to Dolmetsch, I would say, and only a very > distant relation to Poulton. >> >> Best, >> >> Ned >> On Mar 27, 2012, at 3:02 PM, William Samson wrote: >> >>> I couldn't agree more, Ned. But Schaeffer was the one who > successfully proselytised and tipped the balance. >>> >>> Even before Iadone there was Arnold Dolmetsch - a > flesh-plucking-pinky-on-bridger, uncontaminated because he learned > straight from the sources and didn't play classical guitar first. > Here's an image of him around 100 years ago: >>> [4][7]http://tinyurl.com/ccmoxu6 >>> >>> He went on to teach Diana Poulton, who went on to teach . . . > almost everybody! >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [5][8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> > -- > -- > References > 1. mailto:[9][email protected] > 2. mailto:[10][email protected] > 3. mailto:[11][email protected] > 4. [12]http://tinyurl.com/ccmoxu6 > 5. [13]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:[email protected] > 2. mailto:[email protected] > 3. mailto:[email protected] > 4. mailto:[email protected] > 5. mailto:[email protected] > 6. mailto:[email protected] > 7. http://tinyurl.com/ccmoxu6 > 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html > 9. mailto:[email protected] > 10. mailto:[email protected] > 11. mailto:[email protected] > 12. http://tinyurl.com/ccmoxu6 > 13. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html >
