The way it was explained to me by a metallurgist: drawing brass requires lube that wouldn't burn at the teperature necessary to draw. And that lagged a bit.
Sent from my iPhone On Jul 10, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Jarosław Lipski <jaroslawlip...@wp.pl> wrote: > It was not a matter of lubrication but rather problems with melting zinc > metal. However brass wire was used in England during Shakespearean times and > in some places even much earlier. It was produced from calamine (found in the > Mendip hills in Somerset). The full info you can find at > http://www.copper.org/publications/newsletters/innovations/2000/01-brasses/history_brass.html > > All best > > JL > > Wiadomość napisana przez Roman Turovsky w dniu 10 lip 2012, o godz. 17:40: > >> much later, I think. the lubrication essential for drawing brass wire >> wasn't invented until a couple of centuries after 1300's. >> RT >> >> 7/10/2012 9:26 AM, theoj89...@aol.com wrote: >>> Brass strings (or an alloy closer to bronze) were used on irish and >>> scottish harps from the 1300s onward. It would not be surprising that a >>> lute player might possibly use them for bass strings. I shudder to think >>> what tension they might have pulled on those strings, though. trj >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: alexander <voka...@verizon.net> >>> To: Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> >>> Cc: Lutelist <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; Ron Andrico <praelu...@hotmail.com>; >>> Stuart Walsh <s.wa...@ntlworld.com> >>> Sent: Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:37 am >>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes - testament of >>> loading >>> >>> >>> >>> t does translate as loading?, rather then a separate strings, which appears >>> to >>> rove Mimmo Peruffo's insight. >>> lexander r. >>> >>> n Mon, 09 Jul 2012 14:00:00 +0100 >>> Monica Hall" <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>>> I am not a Latin scholar but the relevant passage reads as follows: >>> His autem chordis ex arietum intestinus communiter factis: sunt qui >>> germanica inventione: gravissime quandam aliam ei per diapason consonantem >>> adjiciunt eneam: Qua concentus non modo itidem fortior. verum etiam longe >>> suavior efficitur. >>> Perhaps some one who knows some Latin could comment. >>> Monica >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ron Andrico" <praelu...@hotmail.com> >>> To: <s.wa...@ntlworld.com>; <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >>> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 1:32 PM >>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes >>>> Hello Stuart: >>>> Since no one else seems to have answered your question, I'll contribute >>>> a few words. >>>> Tinctoris' mention of brass octave strings has been repeated >>>> willy-nilly throughout the spate of "performer's guides" to early music >>>> that have been published over the last twenty years or so, and it is >>>> even found in Matthew Spring's history of the lute. The information, >>>> as near as I can judge, seems to be derived from an article Anthony >>>> Baines, "Fifteenth-Century Instruments in Tinctoris's _De Inventione et >>>> Usu Musicae_", Galpin Society Journal III, p19-26 (1950). I have this >>>> article lying about somewhere and have quoted from it myself, but I am >>>> told some interpretive questions have been raised concerning Baines' >>>> translation of the passage, quoted here: >>>> "And further, to provide a stronger sound, an additional string may be >>>> conjoined to any string and tuned to the octave, though not when >>>> conjoined >>>> to the first string. The strings are generally of Ram's gut, but there >>>> is >>>> also the German invention in which another [set of] brass string[s] is >>>> added, tuned very deeply through an octave." >>>> Practically speaking, there is some ambiguity here, and the reference >>>> could just as well mean that brass was used in the lower octave rather >>>> than the upper. Then there is the possibility that what we see here is >>>> an early mention of brass overspun strings. I'm sure some string >>>> enthusiasts on this discussion list would have a thing or two to say >>>> about that. >>>> I hope this helps. >>>> RA >>>>> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 22:52:51 +0100 >>>>> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >>>>> From: s.wa...@ntlworld.com >>>>> Subject: [LUTE] brass strings on 15th century lutes >>>>> >>>>> (perhaps this has been discussed before) >>>>> Tinctoris (c.1480) "commented on the German invention of brass >>>> strings >>>>> [on lutes] which were added 'tuned very deeply through an octave' by >>>>> means of which 'the sound is rendered not only stronger, but also >>>> very >>>>> much sweeter'." (Keith Polk, German Instrumental Music of the Middle >>>>> Ages p.22, 1992). >>>>> Polk, somewhere else in the same book, talks about the 'ever reliable >>>>> Tinctoris'. I've never heard of wire-strung lutes (apart from >>>>> lute-bodied citterns in the late 18th century). >>>>> Anyone know what Tinctoris is talking about? >>>>> Stuart >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >> >> >> >> > > >
