Hill's Early Music paper 'Realized continuo accompaniments from Florence c.1600' is indeed interesting and usefully explores some early continuo realisations. But it has one vital flaw: Hill supposes that many of the intabulations were conceived for the archlute rather than, more likely, a theorbo. This explains why he finds the resultant upper line awkward and disjointed - with a theorbo most of these 'problem' passages are much more smoothly melodic.
MH --- On Wed, 17/10/12, Monica Hall <[email protected]> wrote: From: Monica Hall <[email protected]> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone To: [email protected] Cc: "Lutelist" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 12:17 There is also the article by John Hill in Early Music, Vol. 11, no. 2, April 1983, p. 194-208 which does mention the possible influence of the guitar on the lute - "Realized continuo accompaniments from Florence c.1600". I am not sure if it is available on line unless you have a subscription. Monica ----- Original Message ----- From: <[1][email protected]> To: "Martyn Hodgson" <[2][email protected]> Cc: "Bruno Correia" <[3][email protected]>; <[4][email protected]>; "List LUTELIST" <[5][email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:38 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone > > And you can find Bob's article on-line in > [6]http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/spencer/html/ > > Arto > > On 17/10/12 11:07, Martyn Hodgson wrote: >> Actually it seems more likely that both instruments were named after >> the ancient 'kithara' used by classical Greek poets to accompany their >> recitations and, like so much renaissance thinking, seems to have been >> a concious attempt to recapture something of the glories (as they saw >> it) of the ancient world. >> >> See Bob Spencer's article in Early Music Oct 1976. >> >> MH >> --- On Wed, 17/10/12, [7][email protected] <[8][email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> From: [9][email protected] <[10][email protected]> >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone >> To: "Bruno Correia" <[11][email protected]> >> Cc: "List LUTELIST" <[12][email protected]> >> Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 2:59 >> >> The Grove chitarrone info is outdated. >> It is a large CHITARRA ITALIANA. >> See Renato Meucci's article apropos. >> RT >> On 10/16/2012 9:11 PM, Bruno Correia wrote: >> > The Grove Dictionaire says about the chitarrone: >> > >> > >> > >> > "The type of lute denoted by this humanist, classicizing term >> > (chitarrone means, literally, a large kithara) was associated >> > particularly with Jacopo Peri, Giulio Caccini and the other early >> > writers of monody from the 1590s until about 1630." >> > >> > Has anybody challenged this etymology? Wouldn't be safe to say it >> > simply derived from the chitarra (guitar)? Is was developed in >> the >> > first place to acompany, playing chordally from a contino line, >> just as >> > the 5 course guitar would do, though without the struming >> technique. >> > The solo repertoire that came later looks very close to the >> guitar >> > writing: chords a little counterpoint, arpeggios, slurs, >> campanellas >> > efect e so on... >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Bruno Correia >> > >> > >> > >> > Pesquisador autonomo da pratica e interpretac,ao >> > >> > historicamente informada no alaude e teorba. >> > >> > Doutor em Praticas Interpretativas pela >> > >> > Universidade Federal do Estado do Rio de Janeiro. >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > To get on or off this list see list information at >> > [1][13]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> -- >> >> References >> >> 1. [14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> > > -- References 1. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] 2. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] 3. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] 4. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] 5. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] 6. http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/spencer/html/ 7. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] 8. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] 9. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] 10. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] 11. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] 12. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected] 13. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 14. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
