[LUTE] Re: Chitarrone

Wed, 17 Oct 2012 12:29:16 -0700 

That's what Pakistanis say, and Wikipedia too.
RT


On 10/17/2012 3:22 PM, Monica Hall wrote:



Hindi-Urdu is one and the same language.
Urdu by itself is not a language, but a register of the former.
RT


Try telling that to a Pakistani!

Monica





On 10/17/2012 2:41 PM, Monica Hall wrote:



The alternate theory of "guitar" and related words in other languages
being derived from Persian roots "char-tar" (i.e., "four string") used to 
get some traffic.  Is that term still discussed/debated with any
frequency?  If not, why not?
Probably because there is no real logic in it. Char is four in Hindi and Urdu. 
too.

Monica




Best,
Eugene


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  Actually it seems more likely that both instruments were named after
the ancient 'kithara' used by classical Greek poets to accompany their recitations and, like so much renaissance thinking, seems to have been a concious attempt to recapture something of the glories (as they saw 
  it) of the ancient world.

  See Bob Spencer's article in Early Music  Oct 1976.

  MH
  --- On Wed, 17/10/12, [email protected] <[email protected]>
  wrote:

    From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
    Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
    To: "Bruno Correia" <[email protected]>
    Cc: "List LUTELIST" <[email protected]>
    Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 2:59

  The Grove chitarrone info is outdated.
  It is a large CHITARRA ITALIANA.
  See Renato Meucci's article apropos.
  RT
  On 10/16/2012 9:11 PM, Bruno Correia wrote:
  >     The Grove Dictionaire says about the chitarrone:
  >
  >
  >
  >     "The type of lute denoted by this humanist, classicizing term
  >     (chitarrone means, literally, a large kithara) was associated
> particularly with Jacopo Peri, Giulio Caccini and the other early 
  >     writers of monody from the 1590s until about 1630."
  >
> Has anybody challenged this etymology? Wouldn't be safe to say it 
  >     simply derived from the chitarra (guitar)? Is was developed in
  the
> first place to acompany, playing chordally from a contino line, 
  just as
  >     the 5 course guitar would do, though without the struming
  technique.
  >     The solo repertoire that came later looks very close to the
  guitar
  >     writing: chords a little counterpoint, arpeggios, slurs,
  campanellas
  >     efect e so on...
  >
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