Dear Eugene,
I did not say RV 532 (G major) and RV 558 (C major) are the same work.
The ISMLP editor alleges a second version of RV 532. Take a look at
his/her entries for RV 532 and scroll down to the red band. There the
ISMLP editor explains that RV 532 appears with an "alternate title,"
citing H. C. Robbins Landon, Vivaldi: Voice of the Baroque (Chicago,
1996), page 72. Here is what R Landon wrote:
"Everyone has supposed that Marcello was lampooning
Vivaldi's extravagantly orchestrated
concertos, such as the 'Concerto con Due Flauti, Due Teorbi,
Due Mandolini, Due Salmo,
Due Violini in Tromba Marina et un Violoncello' (RV 532),
performed at the Piet`a . . . in 1740."
Is Robbins Landon confused? RV 558 also uses pairs of flauti, teorbi,
mandolini, salme, violini in tromba marina and a 'cello. Hardly "every
imaginable solist," as you suggest (cf. RV 555).
Vivaldi also composed three concertos for violino in tromba marina (RV
211, 311 and 313). This fiddle-like instrument, which was popular at
the Piet`a, has three strings tied to a floating bridge, which produces
a raspy sound according to Michael Talbot. There are several articles
detailing with Vivaldi's use of "exotic" musical instruments. Check
JSTOR.
ajn.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Braig, Eugene" <[1][email protected]>
To: "Lute List" <[2][email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 2:50 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Vivaldi
> FYI, the concerto in G for two mandolins (RV 532) is a different work
than the truly "grosso" grosso in C naming every imaginable soloist (RV
558).
>
> Best,
> Eugene
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [3][email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Arthur Ness
> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 1:15 PM
> To: Mayes, Joseph; Lute List
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Vivaldi
>
> It's available in the International Music Library Project (EU):
>
>
[4]http://imslp.org/index.php?titleEtegory:Vivaldi%2C%20Antonio&from=C
>
>
[5]http://imslp.eu/download.php?file=files/imglnks/euimg/8/81/IMSLP1349
24-PMLP237520-Vivaldi_Concerto_2mandolins_RV532.pdf
>
> This score is clearer and has PARTS:
>
>
[6]http://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usimg/0/0e/IMSLP288061-PMLP23752
0-Concerto-2Bandolins.pdf
>
> But notice the original instrumentation includes 2 "Salmo"
(=chalumeaux),
> 2 theorbos and the violins are designated "violini in tromba
marina." (See the red stripe.) The comment that the Malipiero score
is "urtext" is misuse of the term!
>
> I have never discovered convincing explanation about what "violini in
tromba marina" are. I know what a tromba marina is, but violini? The
best explanation is that one plays the notes in harmonics. In the solo
sections??? Any other explanation? I don't buy the explanation by
<????> that they are to be played on board a ship.<g>
>
> Both are the Malipiero edition and I didn't see figures. But he has
realized the continuo in the organ part and that will assist to
determine the harmonies. Malipiero, the usual "Collected Edition" of
Vivaldi's instrumental works, is "over edited" in my opinion. In this
case, given the original intrumentation, it is "under-edited."<g>
>
> Best wishes to you and Kathleen,
>
> Arthur
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mayes, Joseph" <[7][email protected]>
> To: "G. Crona" <[8][email protected]>; "Lutelist"
<[9][email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:06 PM
> Subject: [LUTE] Vivaldi
>
>
>> Two of my students are playing the G major concerto for two
mandolins.
>> They'd like me to play continuo on my archlute. Does anyone know
where a
>> bass part (with or without figures) could be obtained?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Joseph Mayes
>>
>>
>>
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References
1. mailto:[email protected]
2. mailto:[email protected]
3. mailto:[email protected]
4. http://imslp.org/index.php?title%C3%8Ategory:Vivaldi%2C%20Antonio&from=C
5.
http://imslp.eu/download.php?file=files/imglnks/euimg/8/81/IMSLP134924-PMLP237520-Vivaldi_Concerto_2mandolins_RV532.pdf
6.
http://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usimg/0/0e/IMSLP288061-PMLP237520-Concerto-2Bandolins.pdf
7. mailto:[email protected]
8. mailto:[email protected]
9. mailto:[email protected]
10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
