Segovia was not incompetent, he was simply unmusical. He wasn't alone in
that, among the stars of his day. Pablo Casals also comes to mind, and
not a few violinists.
RT
On 12/18/2013 2:10 PM, Jarosław Lipski wrote:
Hi,
The Segovia film is nice in its own way, it was probably interesting for at
least a part of the audience at the time it was recorded,
sounds completely outdated and boring for most people today,
It's fine with me if you don't find it interesting. It's just a personal taste
(for many his playing is still very attractive - see comments under his
videos). I've sent this link only to address some posts that suggested
Segovia's incompetence as a player.
and may be rediscovered in the future for some reason we would never even think
of.
Is it somehow related to the lute?
Bream played something thought to be a lute in his own time, so he may be
discussed here?
Had Segovia anything to do with the lute besides the repertoire? And if it is
the repertoire, may we include Andre Rieu here? He also plays some of the most
extended lute repertoire…
No, but I didn't start this thread. The subject says: " I just noticed we got so far
away from the [LUTE]-forum" No, but seriously, people were discussing Segovia's
attitude towards art and teaching (see below), so this is my reply to that part of the
thread.
Sorry if you find any problem in it.
And I'm not trying to defend Segovia (I'm wholeheartedly with Michael), but
I'm rather trying to find a reasons (context) of Segovia's reactions. I've seen
this kind of attitude before, so probably this is why I'm not surprised so much.
Regards
Jaroslaw
Em 18.12.2013, às 14:00, Jarosław Lipski <jaroslawlip...@wp.pl> escreveu:
Segovia could have been polite and gentle providing that a student followed his
remarks, fingerings etc. This is nothing extraordinary in music, and there are
similar reported cases from the past centuries . Some big Maestros were known
for bullying un-subjugated pupils. (Bach was known for bullying kids from his
choir). This is not a good excuse obviously, especially in our modern world,
however it gives me a thought how both performance practice and teaching
evolved.
BTW for those of you who doubt Segovia's competence as a guitarist there is a
short, live video from 50's (Torroba's Sonatina in particular).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjRLpE_TzdA
Enjoy
Jaroslaw
Wiadomość napisana przez gary w dniu 18 gru 2013, o godz. 04:08:
How does one go about preventing the tastes of one person from "shaping the tastes
of an art"? Van Gogh couldn't sell a painting to save his life during his own time
because of the prevailing taste of his era. Popularity is a factor in determining an
era's tastes in art. It seems unfair to fault Segovia for accepting his popularity and
using it to further his own taste. I'm sure from Segovia's point of view in promoting his
own tastes he was protecting the integrity of the guitar and the music.
Gary
On 2013-12-17 13:13, Braig, Eugene wrote:
. . . Not to mention a huge body of dedicated baroque- and
romantic-era repertoire for guitar that was forgotten for generations
because Segovia didn't like it and instead opted to create a body of
repertoire through transcription. I don't think Segovia can be blamed
for his tremendous popularity, but there is a danger in allowing the
tastes of one person shape the state of an art.
Respectfully,
Eugene
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