I'd love to see a photo of that.
> On Nov 18, 2014, at 10:49 AM, John Mardinly <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dan; > > Can you elaborate? > > A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. > > Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer > > EMail: [1][email protected] > > Cell: [2]408-921-3253 (does not work in TEM labs) > > Titan Lab: [3]480-727-5651 > > NION UltraSTEM Lab: [4]480-727-5652 > > JEOL ARM 200 Lab: [5]480-727-5653 > > 2010F Lab: [6]480-727-5654 > > Office: [7]480-965-7946 > > John Cowley Center for HREM, LE-CSSS > > B134B Bateman Physical Sciences Building > > Arizona State University > > [8]PO Box 871704 > > [9]Tempe, AZ 85287-1704 > > On Nov 11, 2014, at 4:33 PM, "Dan Winheld" <[10][email protected]> > wrote: > > Squirrels can't hold on to them- boxer shorts can't contain them- but > lutenists LOVE them.... SLIPPERY NUTS! > On 11/11/2014 8:14 AM, Sean Smith wrote: > > Hi Herbert, > > I have never heard of this problem on the 4th course with gut so > I'll assume you use metal wound strings. I'll admit it's an > assumption that could be false or you may be using a plastic of some > sort. It would be helpful to know in any event. > > Using a string made up of coils that are harder than the nut > material could well have printed those coils on the groove of the > nut, especially if you have used a high tension or the nut is old or > of soft material or it has sat a long time at tension. The nut we > use for gut wasn't imagined to work this way with metal coils. The > lute was designed with a bone/ivory/wood nut that is harder than the > gut string. The gut spreads out to the smooth nut surface under > tension and at no point does it "dig in" (I'm not sure a plastic > string spreads like this but I doubt it). Using gut (and a little > beeswax now and then) I have no trouble adjusting the pitch - > assuming the strings and frets are true. > > Citterns, orpharions and bandoras that use metal strings have the > lesser bend like the guitars you mention. It solves the bend/tension > problem for the materials given. > > If you're inclined to use modern stringing and don't mind modern > workarounds, you might consider a modern angle to accomodate it. Or > maybe a steel nut ... and WD-40. It would be less colorful than 15 > different loops of yarn though. > > Sean > > On Nov 11, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Herbert Ward wrote: > > The bent-back pegbox means that a lute > > has 7.5 times as much friction at > > the nut as a guitar, taking angles of > > 10 degrees for the guitar and 80 for the > > lute. > > For the strings attached to the farthest > > pegs (say, the fourth course) this friction > > causes trouble because the strings stick > > at the nut during tuning. > > Graphite lubrication never helped me much. > > Nor did tugging at the string, though it > > seems this should work when tuning downward. > > To fix the problem, I tied a loop of ordinary > > household twine around the string in the peg- > > box, and MOVED IT AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO > > THE NUT. > > Now I adjust the peg, and > > then give a momentary tug on the loop. The > > tug pulls the string almost completely away > > from the nut, and thus equalizes the tension > > along the entire length of the string. > > In response, the pitch immediately and > > reliably reflects the > > slightest movement of the peg (in either > > direction), as with a harp. > > A side-benefit is that the peg stays pushed > > in longer, since the peg is turned so little. > > Of course, if you put loops on > > multiple strings, then you have a mass of loops > > from which it is difficult to find the one you > > need. I've ordered a skein of multi-colored > > knitting yarn to see whether color-coding will > > reduce this problem. > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > [11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:[email protected] > 2. tel:408-921-3253 > 3. tel:480-727-5651 > 4. tel:480-727-5652 > 5. tel:480-727-5653 > 6. tel:480-727-5654 > 7. tel:480-965-7946 > 8. x-apple-data-detectors://6/ > 9. x-apple-data-detectors://6/ > 10. mailto:[email protected] > 11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
