This debate is becoming highly amusing. Chris
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher Wilke Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:13 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: [LUTE] Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: Pegheads on new lute Joe, Yes, but you're forgetting that HIP is approximately 29.2 to 37.7% for show. Do the concert on an actual 19th century guitar with original geared tuners and a certain self-appointed Very Important segment of audience will grumble that they've been cheated out of an Authentic Transcendental Historical Experience. Peggy-looking things (even fake ones) will settle their stomachs and make them feel much better about the musicianship. Play the Monteverdi Vespers on an 18 foot-long Roman Giant Tortoise Theorbo and the secret police will be all smiles. Chris [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone At May 27, 2015, 11:34:28 AM, Mayes, Joseph wrote: Early - 19th C. - guitars were made with machines or friction pegs. Those made with machines were more expensive. If you use pegheads on one of these instruments, you have an expensive guitar masquerading as a cheap one. I'll join Sterling at the vomitorium. Joseph Mayes ________________________________________ From: [2][email protected] <[3][email protected]> on behalf of Sterling Price <[4][email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:02 AM To: Michael Grant Cc: LuteNet list Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] [LUTE] Re: Pegheads on new lute If your lute has shitty, ill fitting pegs then PegHeads might be fine, but it seems that most lute builders know how to make pegs that work just great. When I see PegHeads on early guitars with six strings I seriously feel the need to throw up. Sterling Sent from my iPad On May 26, 2015, at 10:55 AM, Michael Grant <[5][email protected]> wrote: > --001a11c35b4c9e155e0516fefe80 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I had PegHeds (that is how the inventor and manufacturer spells his > product) installed on a 10 c Ren lute. 19 PegHeds to replace tired, worn, > crappy wooden friction pegs that had broken off, actually started shearing > off under load. The lute was used and I had just gotten it. Chuck Herin, > the PegHed guy is, by pure luck, only about 2 hours from me here in South > Carolina. I drove the instrument to him, he made very small bore changes > in the pegbox and installed them. Here are before and after pics of the > lute's pegbox. The PegHeds cost $30 a piece. That adds up but what was it > costing me to have a lute with 1/2 of the broken pegs missing and so > unplayable, what would it have cost me to take it to a lute luthier and > have new friction pegs turned and installed and how long would that have > taken. Then I would have been back to friction pegs. Add both costs up > and the PegHeds were a no brainer! I recommend them highly. > > Michael > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Dan Winheld <[6][email protected]> wrote: > >> I am neither conventional nor wise, so I can only offer my own personal >> experience & opinions: >> >> Most people love them, I wouldn't pay $20 for a barrelful of them. But >> they are life saver on Orpharions; or any multi-string, double-course low >> tension wire strung instrument. For those instruments, and those >> instruments alone, I would consider them almost a necessity. >> >> They are nice on my Baroque lute student's 13 course instrument - but >> string changing is his problem! >> Hate them on my own 8 course, but I have adapted & gotten used to them- >> and that lute is so good I put up with them. The conventional but >> exquisitely fitted pegs on my Vihuela are a lot faster & easier than the >> Pegheads on my lute; I am used to the quick action of the 1 to 1 "gear >> ratio" of no gears! String changes? Instant! >> >> No gears for me, thanks! >> >> Da >> >> >> On 5/26/2015 6:22 AM, Charles Mokotoff wrote: >> >>> I took delivery of a new lute this week that has Pegheads installed. >>> I've never been one for much authenticity, so this doesn't bug me at >>> all. All I can say is, where have they been all my lute life? I don't >>> know what I am going to do with all the extra time I have now. They >>> are >>> fantastic. The only single thing I miss is the simplicity of removing >>> a >>> string with conventional pegs, but to be able to just sit there and >>> put >>> your left hand up to easily tweak tuning feels miraculous to me. >>> I am curious what the conventional wisdom is on these. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > -- > __________________________________ > Michael M. Grant, PhD, MBA > *Coastal Psychological Consulting, PA* > 74 Lodge Trail > Pawleys Island, SC 29585 > 843.314.3263 Phone > 843.314.3784 Fax > www.coastalpsychological.com > > --001a11c35b4c9e155e0516fefe80 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I had PegHeds (that is how the inventor and manufacturer spells his product) installed on a 10 c Ren lute. 19 PegHeds to replace tired, worn, crappy wooden friction pegs that had broken off, actually started shearing off under load. The lute was used and I had just gotten it. Chuck Herin, the PegHed guy is, by pure luck, only about 2 hours from me here in South Carolina. I drove the instrument to him, he made very small bore changes in the pegbox and installed them. Here are before and after pics of the lute's pegbox. The PegHeds cost $30 a piece. That adds up but what was it costing me to have a lute with 1/2 of the broken pegs missing and so unplayable, what would it have cost me to take it to a lute luthier and have new friction pegs turned and installed and how long would that have taken. Then I would have been back to friction pegs. Add both costs up and the PegHeds were a no brainer! I recommend them highly. >> Michael On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Dan Winheld <[8][email protected]" target="_blank">[9][email protected]> wrote: I am neither conventional nor wise, so I can only offer my own personal experience & opinions: > > Most people love them, I wouldn't pay $20 for a barrelful of them. But they are life saver on Orpharions; or any multi-string, double-course low tension wire strung instrument. For those instruments, and those instruments alone, I would consider them almost a necessity. > > They are nice on my Baroque lute student's 13 course instrument - but string changing is his problem! > Hate them on my own 8 course, but I have adapted & gotten used to them- and that lute is so good I put up with them. The conventional but exquisitely fitted pegs on my Vihuela are a lot faster & easier than the Pegheads on my lute; I am used to the quick action of the 1 to 1 "gear ratio" of no gears! String changes? Instant! > > No gears for me, thanks! > > Da > > On 5/26/2015 6:22 AM, Charles Mokotoff wrote: > > I took delivery of a new lute this week that has Pegheads installed. > I've never been one for much authenticity, so this doesn't bug me at > all. All I can say is, where have they been all my lute life? I don't > know what I am going to do with all the extra time I have now. They are > fantastic. The only single thing I miss is the simplicity of removing a > string with conventional pegs, but to be able to just sit there and put > your left hand up to easily tweak tuning feels miraculous to me. > I am curious what the conventional wisdom is on these. > > -- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html"; target="_blank">[11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/inde x.html > > > > > -- __________________________________ Michael M. Grant, PhD, MBA Coastal Psychological Consulting, PA 74 Lodge Trail Pawleys Island, SC 29585 843.314.3263 Phone 843.314.3784 Fax [12]http://www.coastalpsychological.com"; target="_blank">www.coastalpsychological.com > > > --001a11c35b4c9e155e0516fefe80-- > -- References 1. https://yho.com/footer0 2. javascript:return 3. javascript:return 4. javascript:return 5. javascript:return 6. javascript:return 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. javascript:return 9. javascript:return 10. file://localhost/net/people/lute-arc/<a%20href= 11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 12. file://localhost/net/people/lute-arc/<a%20href=
