Good grief: Peg Heads have a 4/1 ratio and guitar gears have a 16/1 ratio. Changing strings is less complicated than going to the bathroom. What is the fuss?
A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer EMail: [1][email protected] Cell: [2]408-921-3253 (does not work in TEM labs) Titan Lab: [3]480-727-5651 NION UltraSTEM Lab: [4]480-727-5652 JEOL ARM 200 Lab: [5]480-727-5653 2010F Lab: [6]480-727-5654 Office: [7]480-965-7946 John Cowley Center for HREM, LE-CSSS B134B Bateman Physical Sciences Building Arizona State University [8]PO Box 871704 [9]Tempe, AZ 85287-1704 On May 27, 2015, at 10:32 AM, "Dan Winheld" <[10][email protected]> wrote: "...if you put as little of the string as possible on the roller, and don't bother with a knot..." That is EXACTLY the way I do it on conventional pegs. And if I am using a nylon chantarelle, I even manually pull some tension on it before I tuck/wrap the tag end under the string going into the hole, and then pull the somewhat tightened string up onto the nut & into its groove. (Outside peghole, of course). The only time I allow more wraps is when the peghole is centered, to get the tension closer (but not too close-binding!) to the inside cheek of the pegbox, where there will be less direct pulling force where the peg is most flexible. I can't understand why some people knot the strings at/in the pegbox- nothing but trouble. Dan On 5/27/2015 10:12 AM, Charles Mokotoff wrote: I am hardly the voice of experience here, having changed a grand total of about 7 strings now on this PegHed fitted lute. But I noticed if you put as little of the string as possible on the roller, and don't bother with a knot, it seems to be a lot easier to take off when the time comes. I have noticed no negative issues with doing it this way, its counter to how I used to do it with traditional pegs. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Dan Winheld <[1][11][email protected]> wrote: Part of being a lute teacher is showing my students how to do this stuff properly- it is not all either obvious or intuitional. Some lessons (in my case) are learned only by repeated experience. And gut winds around the peg differently than nylon; etc. Years ago I broke a "stuck" peg, forcing it when the string had wedged up against the inside cheek of the pegbox. My worst gripes about the PegHedz (even the ones that work well) are in fact about string changes. I do a fair amount of experimentation, changing out strings for different performance/pitch/tuning situations, and to try every damned new thing that Peruffo cooks up in his lab. Those things are worse than guitar machine heads for slow, awkward string changes- and lute pegboxes are not guitar heads. It is especially bad for the chantarelle- the one string for which anyone needs "instant access". On my 8 course there is no-outside-the box option, and so I have to run that string to the last 4th course peg for proper angle & accessability. Chuck Herin was no help at all on this; even though Dan Larson has some outside-the-box string hole pegheads I could not get Chuck to even understand what I wanted, it's not rocket science. A simple treble rider- just for a single 1st course- would be a good compromise. Dan On 5/27/2015 9:27 AM, Gary Boye wrote: I know there are some bad pegs and peg makers out there, but in my experience the majority of "peg" problems can be traced to improper installation of the strings to the pegs. Players wind too much string on the peg, it bumps up against the inside of the pegbox--this becomes a "stuck peg." They wind the string on the peg towards the thicker end, forcing the string to pop out when tightened--this is a "loose peg." Learn to string your instrument properly and alot of these "peg problems" disappear . . . just my 2 cents. Gary Dr. Gary R. Boye Professor and Music Librarian Appalachian State University On 5/27/2015 11:24 AM, Mayes, Joseph wrote: Early - 19th C. - guitars were made with machines or friction pegs. Those made with machines were more expensive. If you use pegheads on one of these instruments, you have an expensive guitar masquerading as a cheap one. I'll join Sterling at the vomitorium. Joseph Mayes ________________________________________ From: [2][12][email protected] <[3][13][email protected]> on behalf of Sterling Price <[4][14][email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:02 AM To: Michael Grant Cc: LuteNet list Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] [LUTE] Re: Pegheads on new lute If your lute has shitty, ill fitting pegs then PegHeads might be fine, but it seems that most lute builders know how to make pegs that work just great. When I see PegHeads on early guitars with six strings I seriously feel the need to throw up. Sterling Sent from my iPad On May 26, 2015, at 10:55 AM, Michael Grant <[5][15][email protected]> wrote: --001a11c35b4c9e155e0516fefe80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I had PegHeds (that is how the inventor and manufacturer spells his product) installed on a 10 c Ren lute. 19 PegHeds to replace tired, worn, crappy wooden friction pegs that had broken off, actually started shearing off under load. The lute was used and I had just gotten it. Chuck Herin, the PegHed guy is, by pure luck, only about 2 hours from me here in South Carolina. I drove the instrument to him, he made very small bore changes in the pegbox and installed them. Here are before and after pics of the lute's pegbox. The PegHeds cost $30 a piece. That adds up but what was it costing me to have a lute with 1/2 of the broken pegs missing and so unplayable, what would it have cost me to take it to a lute luthier and have new friction pegs turned and installed and how long would that have taken. Then I would have been back to friction pegs. Add both costs up and the PegHeds were a no brainer! I recommend them highly. Michael On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Dan Winheld <[6][16][email protected]> wrote: I am neither conventional nor wise, so I can only offer my own personal experience & opinions: Most people love them, I wouldn't pay $20 for a barrelful of them. But they are life saver on Orpharions; or any multi-string, double-course low tension wire strung instrument. For those instruments, and those instruments alone, I would consider them almost a necessity. They are nice on my Baroque lute student's 13 course instrument - but string changing is his problem! Hate them on my own 8 course, but I have adapted & gotten used to them- and that lute is so good I put up with them. The conventional but exquisitely fitted pegs on my Vihuela are a lot faster & easier than the Pegheads on my lute; I am used to the quick action of the 1 to 1 "gear ratio" of no gears! String changes? Instant! No gears for me, thanks! Da On 5/26/2015 6:22 AM, Charles Mokotoff wrote: I took delivery of a new lute this week that has Pegheads installed. I've never been one for much authenticity, so this doesn't bug me at all. All I can say is, where have they been all my lute life? I don't know what I am going to do with all the extra time I have now. They are fantastic. The only single thing I miss is the simplicity of removing a string with conventional pegs, but to be able to just sit there and put your left hand up to easily tweak tuning feels miraculous to me. I am curious what the conventional wisdom is on these. -- To get on or off this list see list information at [7][17]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- __________________________________ Michael M. Grant, PhD, MBA *Coastal Psychological Consulting, PA* 74 Lodge Trail Pawleys Island, SC 29585 [8]843.314.3263 Phone [9]843.314.3784 Fax [10][18]www.coastalpsychological.com --001a11c35b4c9e155e0516fefe80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir="ltr"><div>I had PegHeds (that is how the inventor and manufacturer spells his product) installed on a 10 c Ren lute. 19 PegHeds to replace tired, worn, crappy wooden friction pegs that had broken off, actually started shearing off under load. The lute was used and I had just gotten it. Chuck Herin, the PegHed guy is, by pure luck, only about 2 hours from me here in South Carolina. I drove the instrument to him, he made very small bore changes in the pegbox and installed them. Here are before and after pics of the lute's pegbox. The PegHeds cost $30 a piece. That adds up but what was it costing me to have a lute with 1/2 of the broken pegs missing and so unplayable, what would it have cost me to take it to a lute luthier and have new friction pegs turned and installed and how long would that have taken. Then I would have been back to friction pegs. Add both costs up and the PegHeds were a no brainer! I recommend them highly.<br><br></div><div! Michael<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Dan Winheld <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:[11][19][email protected]"; target="_blank">[12][20][email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I am neither conventional nor wise, so I can only offer my own personal experience & opinions:<br> <br> Most people love them, I wouldn't pay $20 for a barrelful of them. But they are life saver on Orpharions; or any multi-string, double-course low tension wire strung instrument. For those instruments, and those instruments alone, I would consider them almost a necessity.<br> <br> They are nice on my Baroque lute student's 13 course instrument - but string changing is his problem!<br> Hate them on my own 8 course, but I have adapted & gotten used to them- and that lute is so good I put up with them. The conventional but exquisitely fitted pegs on my Vihuela are a lot faster & easier than the Pegheads on my lute; I am used to the quick action of the 1 to 1 "gear ratio" of no gears! String changes? Instant!<br> <br> No gears for me, thanks!<br> <br> Da<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br> <br> On 5/26/2015 6:22 AM, Charles Mokotoff wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I took delivery of a new lute this week that has Pegheads installed.<br> I've never been one for much authenticity, so this doesn't bug me at<br> all. All I can say is, where have they been all my lute life? I don't<br> know what I am going to do with all the extra time I have now. They are<br> fantastic. The only single thing I miss is the simplicity of removing a<br> string with conventional pegs, but to be able to just sit there and put<br> your left hand up to easily tweak tuning feels miraculous to me.<br> I am curious what the conventional wisdom is on these.<br> <br> --<br> <br> <br> To get on or off this list see list information at<br> <a href="[13][21]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html"; target="_blank">[14][22]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin /inde x.html</a><br> <br> </blockquote> <br> <br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>__________________________________<br>Michael M. 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