So I suppose the next step is to graduate to metal frets and synthetic
strings, since they also have no fuss...
S
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From: Edward Martin <[email protected]>
To: John Mardinly <[email protected]>
Cc: Dan Winheld <[email protected]>; Charles Mokotoff
<[email protected]>; Gary Boye <[email protected]>; "Mayes, Joseph"
<[email protected]>; Michael Grant <[email protected]>; Sterling
Price <[email protected]>; LuteNet list <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: Pegheads on new lute
What is the fuss? None, from my experience. I have found pegheds to be
wonderful, in every way. They do not appear different from friction
pegs, but they work exceptionally well, are stable, very accurate, tune
very quickly, no sticking or slipping.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 28, 2015, at 1:07 PM, John Mardinly <[1][email protected]>
wrote:
>
> Good grief: Peg Heads have a 4/1 ratio and guitar gears have a 16/1
> ratio. Changing strings is less complicated than going to the
bathroom.
> What is the fuss?
>
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> On May 27, 2015, at 10:32 AM, "Dan Winheld"
<[10][3][email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> "...if you put as little of the string as possible on the roller,
and
> don't bother with a knot..."
> That is EXACTLY the way I do it on conventional pegs. And if I am
> using
> a nylon chantarelle, I even manually pull some tension on it
before I
> tuck/wrap the tag end under the string going into the hole, and
then
> pull the somewhat tightened string up onto the nut & into its
groove.
> (Outside peghole, of course).
> The only time I allow more wraps is when the peghole is centered,
to
> get the tension closer (but not too close-binding!) to the inside
> cheek
> of the pegbox, where there will be less direct pulling force where
> the
> peg is most flexible. I can't understand why some people knot the
> strings at/in the pegbox- nothing but trouble.
> Dan
> On 5/27/2015 10:12 AM, Charles Mokotoff wrote:
> I am hardly the voice of experience here, having changed a grand
> total
> of about 7 strings now on this PegHed fitted lute. But I noticed
if
> you
> put as little of the string as possible on the roller, and don't
> bother
> with a knot, it seems to be a lot easier to take off when the time
> comes. I have noticed no negative issues with doing it this way,
its
> counter to how I used to do it with traditional pegs.
> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Dan Winheld
> <[1][11][4][email protected]>
> wrote:
> Part of being a lute teacher is showing my students how to do
this
> stuff properly- it is not all either obvious or intuitional.
Some
> lessons (in my case) are learned only by repeated experience.
> And gut winds around the peg differently than nylon; etc. Years
ago
> I broke a "stuck" peg, forcing it when the string had wedged up
> against the inside cheek of the pegbox.
> My worst gripes about the PegHedz (even the ones that work well)
> are
> in fact about string changes. I do a fair amount of
> experimentation,
> changing out strings for different performance/pitch/tuning
> situations, and to try every damned new thing that Peruffo cooks
up
> in his lab. Those things are worse than guitar machine heads for
> slow, awkward string changes- and lute pegboxes are not guitar
> heads.
> It is especially bad for the chantarelle- the one string for
which
> anyone needs "instant access". On my 8 course there is
> no-outside-the box option, and so I have to run that string to
the
> last 4th course peg for proper angle & accessability. Chuck
Herin
> was no help at all on this; even though Dan Larson has some
> outside-the-box string hole pegheads I could not get Chuck to
even
> understand what I wanted, it's not rocket science.
> A simple treble rider- just for a single 1st course- would be a
> good
> compromise.
> Dan
> On 5/27/2015 9:27 AM, Gary Boye wrote:
> I know there are some bad pegs and peg makers out there, but in
my
> experience the majority of "peg" problems can be traced to
improper
> installation of the strings to the pegs. Players wind too much
> string on the peg, it bumps up against the inside of the
> pegbox--this becomes a "stuck peg." They wind the string on the
peg
> towards the thicker end, forcing the string to pop out when
> tightened--this is a "loose peg." Learn to string your
instrument
> properly and alot of these "peg problems" disappear . . . just
my 2
> cents.
> Gary
> Dr. Gary R. Boye
> Professor and Music Librarian
> Appalachian State University
> On 5/27/2015 11:24 AM, Mayes, Joseph wrote:
> Early - 19th C. - guitars were made with machines or friction
pegs.
> Those made with machines were more expensive. If you use
pegheads
> on
> one of these instruments, you have an expensive guitar
masquerading
> as a cheap one. I'll join Sterling at the vomitorium.
> Joseph Mayes
> ________________________________________
> From: [2][12][5][email protected]
> <[3][13][6][email protected]> on
> behalf of Sterling Price
<[4][14][7][email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:02 AM
> To: Michael Grant
> Cc: LuteNet list
> Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] [LUTE] Re: Pegheads on new lute
> If your lute has shitty, ill fitting pegs then PegHeads might be
> fine, but it seems that most lute builders know how to make pegs
> that work just great. When I see PegHeads on early guitars with
six
> strings I seriously feel the need to throw up.
> Sterling
> Sent from my iPad
> On May 26, 2015, at 10:55 AM, Michael Grant
> <[5][15][8][email protected]> wrote:
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> I had PegHeds (that is how the inventor and manufacturer spells
his
> product) installed on a 10 c Ren lute. 19 PegHeds to replace
> tired,
> worn,
> crappy wooden friction pegs that had broken off, actually
started
> shearing
> off under load. The lute was used and I had just gotten it.
Chuck
> Herin,
> the PegHed guy is, by pure luck, only about 2 hours from me here
in
> South
> Carolina. I drove the instrument to him, he made very small
bore
> changes
> in the pegbox and installed them. Here are before and after
pics
> of
> the
> lute's pegbox. The PegHeds cost $30 a piece. That adds up but
> what
> was it
> costing me to have a lute with 1/2 of the broken pegs missing
and
> so
> unplayable, what would it have cost me to take it to a lute
luthier
> and
> have new friction pegs turned and installed and how long would
that
> have
> taken. Then I would have been back to friction pegs. Add both
> costs up
> and the PegHeds were a no brainer! I recommend them highly.
> Michael
> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Dan Winheld
> <[6][16][9][email protected]>
> wrote:
> I am neither conventional nor wise, so I can only offer my own
> personal
> experience & opinions:
> Most people love them, I wouldn't pay $20 for a barrelful of
them.
> But
> they are life saver on Orpharions; or any multi-string,
> double-course low
> tension wire strung instrument. For those instruments, and those
> instruments alone, I would consider them almost a necessity.
> They are nice on my Baroque lute student's 13 course instrument
-
> but
> string changing is his problem!
> Hate them on my own 8 course, but I have adapted & gotten used
to
> them-
> and that lute is so good I put up with them. The conventional
but
> exquisitely fitted pegs on my Vihuela are a lot faster & easier
> than
> the
> Pegheads on my lute; I am used to the quick action of the 1 to 1
> "gear
> ratio" of no gears! String changes? Instant!
> No gears for me, thanks!
> Da
> On 5/26/2015 6:22 AM, Charles Mokotoff wrote:
> I took delivery of a new lute this week that has Pegheads
> installed.
> I've never been one for much authenticity, so this doesn't
bug
> me at
> all. All I can say is, where have they been all my lute
life? I
> don't
> know what I am going to do with all the extra time I have
now.
> They
> are
> fantastic. The only single thing I miss is the simplicity of
> removing
> a
> string with conventional pegs, but to be able to just sit
there
> and
> put
> your left hand up to easily tweak tuning feels miraculous to
> me.
> I am curious what the conventional wisdom is on these.
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> *Coastal Psychological Consulting, PA*
> 74 Lodge Trail
> Pawleys Island, SC 29585
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> <div dir="ltr"><div>I had PegHeds (that is how the inventor and
> manufacturer spells his product) installed on a 10 c Ren lute.
19
> PegHeds to replace tired, worn, crappy wooden friction pegs that
> had
> broken off, actually started shearing off under load. The lute
was
> used and I had just gotten it. Chuck Herin, the PegHed guy is,
by
> pure luck, only about 2 hours from me here in South Carolina. I
> drove the instrument to him, he made very small bore changes in
the
> pegbox and installed them. Here are before and after pics of
the
> lute's pegbox. The PegHeds cost $30 a piece. That adds up but
> what was it costing me to have a lute with 1/2 of the broken
pegs
> missing and so unplayable, what would it have cost me to take it
to
> a lute luthier and have new friction pegs turned and installed
and
> how long would that have taken. Then I would have been back to
> friction pegs. Add both costs up and the PegHeds were a no
brainer!
> I recommend them highly.<br><br></div><div!
> Michael<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div
> class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Dan
Winheld
> <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:[11][19][11][email protected]";
> target="_blank">[12][20][12][email protected]</a>></span>
> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
> .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I am neither
> conventional nor wise, so I can only offer my own personal
> experience & opinions:<br>
> <br>
> Most people love them, I wouldn't pay $20 for a barrelful of
> them. But they are life saver on Orpharions; or any
multi-string,
> double-course low tension wire strung instrument. For those
> instruments, and those instruments alone, I would consider them
> almost a necessity.<br>
> <br>
> They are nice on my Baroque lute student's 13 course instrument
> - but string changing is his problem!<br>
> Hate them on my own 8 course, but I have adapted & gotten
used
> to them- and that lute is so good I put up with them. The
> conventional but exquisitely fitted pegs on my Vihuela are a lot
> faster & easier than the Pegheads on my lute; I am used to
the
> quick action of the 1 to 1 "gear ratio" of no gears!
> String changes? Instant!<br>
> <br>
> No gears for me, thanks!<br>
> <br>
> Da<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
> <br>
> On 5/26/2015 6:22 AM, Charles Mokotoff wrote:<br>
> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
> .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
> I took delivery of a new lute this week that has Pegheads
> installed.<br>
> I've never been one for much authenticity, so this
> doesn't bug me at<br>
> all. All I can say is, where have they been all my lute
life?
> I
> don't<br>
> know what I am going to do with all the extra time I have
now.
> They are<br>
> fantastic. The only single thing I miss is the simplicity
of
> removing a<br>
> string with conventional pegs, but to be able to just sit
> there
> and put<br>
> your left hand up to easily tweak tuning feels miraculous
to
> me.<br>
> I am curious what the conventional wisdom is on these.<br>
> <br>
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