In all this discussion might we spare a thought for Mimmo Peruffo? Mimmo has been alone in developing synthetic 'gut' strings which have led to many benefits for plucked period instrument players. I don't think he's really making loads of money from all this hard work and, from what I believe, has invested considerable sums into the necessary machinery etc. So, yes, maybe nothing is quite perfect yet but can we please have a gentle round of applause for the sole pioneer? regards to all Martyn PS I know Eph Segerman was the very first on this scene with his experimental 'gutlon' in the 1970/80s. M ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jean-Marie Poirier <jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr> To: Ron Andrico <praelu...@hotmail.com>; Francesco Tribioli <tribi...@arcetri.astro.it>; 'Lute List' <Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2017, 16:03 Subject: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings Concordo con Francesco ! Excellent and rather worrying assessment... ! Best, Jean-Marie -------------- > Thank you for that reality check, Francesco. Your points are well > taken. It is far too easy to allow our collective passion for the > historical lute to devolve into chit-chat over consumer goods - even to > the point of treating our lutes as consumer goods. > > Obviously, we have to accept that we live in the 21st century and > technologies like synthetic strings (and clever lute notation software) > are relevant, useful and difficult to avoid. And while it is true that > the lute evolved over time to adapt to ever changing musical tastes and > new technologies, I think it's important to remember that the lute and > everything it represents should maintain it's place as a symbol of the > historical aesthetic that goes hand in hand with the music originally > composed for the instrument. In my opinion, that is the most important > thing. > > RA > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf > of Francesco Tribioli <[3]tribi...@arcetri.astro.it> > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 7:32 AM > To: 'lutelist Net' > Subject: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings > > I wonder what is left of the original idea of playing instruments, > built as > the original ones were built, with historically informed technique. > Single > strung archlutes, foldable theorbos, short theorbos strung with wound > strings, instruments with different vibrating lengths always tuned to > 440 > even stretching the physical limits of the instrument itself, synthetic > strings not even close to gut and even fishing lines, amplifiers, > mechanical > pegs, pop music played on the lute... Oh well... :-( > Francesco > > -----Messaggio originale----- > > Da: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[1]mailto:[5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] > Per > > conto di Andreas Nachtsheim > > Inviato: mercoledà ¬ 30 agosto 2017 07:22 > > A: Edward Martin <[6]edvihuel...@gmail.com> > > Cc: Tristan von Neumann <[7]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>; George Arndt > > <[8]george.ar...@hotmail.com>; lutelist Net <[9]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > > Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings > > > > Hello all.... > > > > the name of the Japanese brand is 'Seaguar' (made by Kureha) and they > > produce lots of different carbon fishing line. I made real good > experiences > > with their 'orange line' of Fluorocarbon line - this goes up to .91, > but > the > > thicker ones (more than .52) are not easy to get in Europe. Their > black > label > > called 'Grand Max' is also very good (up to .52) Other brands > (available > in > > different diameters) I use are 'Gamakatsu G-Line' or 'Stroft' > > > > Andreas > > > > > > > > > Am 30.08.2017 um 01:49 schrieb Edward Martin > <[10]edvihuel...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > Very interesting indeed. Among the very first users of carbon > strings > > > is Toyohiko Satoh, and the original company was called I think > Seagar, > > > or something like that. They are a Japanese manufacturer of > fishing > > > line. So, all who use carbon are using fishing line. > > > ed > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Tristan von Neumann > > > <[1][11]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: > > > > > > Hi George! > > > Thanks for sharing your experience! I was exactly looking for > that > > > answer, but no one had attempted full stringing on a > Renaissance > > > lute and I forgot. > > > What would you use for a 62cm Renaissance Lute 7c on G=415 or > 432 > > > Hz? > > > I'd be interested in a list and manufacturers, preferably those > > > available in Europe. > > > I thought monofilaments were thinner, the chanterelle was like > .33mm > > > from Pyramid Strings. That could be a little hard on the holes. > > > I also don't want to damage my lute by overstringing it... > > > Thanks for the hint! > > > > > > Am 29.08.2017 um 14:25 schrieb George Arndt: > > > > > > Hello fellow lute players: > > > I have been using salt water monofilament fishing line on my > lutes > > > for > > > the past three years with satisfactory results. The only > exception > > > being the 7th course on Renaissance lutes and the diapasons > on my > > > Baroque lute that are wound with metal. I matched the > diameter and > > > length of the original strings with fishing line. If a string > was > > > easily broken I use a larger diameter to replace it. If peg > > > friction > > > was a inadequate, I decrease string diameter and replace that > > > string. > > > If a string slapped the fingerboard I used a larger diameter > when > > > I replace it. One nice advantage is mono-filament strings > may be > > > pigmented and this helped me as I was learning to play. After > three > > > years I am satisfied with the result. It cost $120 for a > lifetime > > > supply of strings for my seven lutes. > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > [2][12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > >References > > 1. mailto:[13]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu > 2. [14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
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