Thanks from me too, Ron. I looked at the transcription, and at least
one of them calls for eight courses. I don't read German tablature
(or German language, so I need to ask for Tristan's help), but know
something of of it, so I assume Gerle would have had to use special
characters that would umistakably indicate the "extra" courses. In
the facsimile there are two lines above the illustration/symbol chart
of the 6-course lute. Are those the symbols for the "extra" courses?
Also, in terms of the literary references, wouldn't seventeen strings
imply rather a 9-course instrument, at least as we're figuring it, and
ruling out triple-stringing, etc.? Also it occurs to me that the
thirteen and seventeen strings could, theoretically, indicate bass
notes "inserted" above the nominal low "G", to simplify fingering for A
and B(b). Of course, without some notation or specific description,
we'll never know.
Best to all, and keep playing (and discovering!),
Chris.
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 9:21 AM Tristan von Neumann
<[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
Thanks Ron,
though I was referring to published music, not to the fact that
there
were lutes with more courses.
Are there any even earlier examples?
:
On 05.06.20 14:12, Ron Andrico wrote:
> Tristan, it is a common misconception that early
sixteenth-century
> music should only be played on a six-course lute. Just like
the
> misconception that lutenists only played with a plectrum
until 1507,
> misguided modern historians mistakenly believe that
seven-course lutes
> did not enter the picture until Dowland's lifetime.
>
> Fortunately, there is descriptive evidence to the contrary
penned by
> Philippo Oriolo da Bassano from his poem Monte Parnaso, dated
no later
> than 1541. Canto XX fancifully describes a handful of known
lutenists
> ranging from Pietrobono, to Gian Maria, Marco dall' Aquila,
Spinacino
> and Francesco da Milano.
> "There ensues a curious contest between two lutenists, one
playing an
> instrument of thirteen strings, the other, one of seventeen
strings
> These numbers are almost certainly to be understood as
referring to
> seven courses (the lower six strings doubled) and eight
courses (the
> lower seven strings doubled), respectively...As early as
1511,
> Sebastian Virdung, Musica getutscht...states that nine
strings are too
> few, and since not all lutes have thirteen or fourteen
strings, eleven
> are best."
>
> - H. Colin Slim, "Musicians on Parnassus", _Studies in the
> Renaissance_, Vol. 12 (1965) p. 140.
>
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> While playing to Sarge's new Gerle series (thanks!)
>
[1][7]http://gerbode.net/sources/GerleH/Musica_Teutsch_1532/pdf/
> I saw this sentence: "Nun volgen etliche stucklein hernach in
der
> Tabulatur zu den
> dreyzehen saytten."
> (Now following: several pieces in tabs for 13 strings)
> So this music is genuine 7 course music published already in
1532.
> (The scordatura pieces are called "im Abzug")
> Btw, the Josquin intabulations are sweet and easy on the
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