The 8c. is merely an addition by Sarge.
It's nice to have this version if you don't have a D diapason ready.
On 05.06.20 16:33, Christopher Stetson wrote:
Thanks from me too, �Ron. � I looked at the transcription, and at least
one of them calls for eight courses. � I don't read German tablature
(or German language, so I need to ask for Tristan's help), but know
something of of it, so I assume Gerle would have had to use special
characters that would umistakably indicate the "extra" courses. � In
the facsimile there are two lines above the illustration/symbol chart
of the 6-course lute. � Are those the symbols for the "extra" courses?
Also, in terms of the literary references, wouldn't seventeen strings
imply rather a 9-course instrument, at least as we're figuring it, and
ruling out triple-stringing, etc.? � Also it occurs �to me that the
thirteen and seventeen strings could, theoretically, indicate bass
notes "inserted" above the nominal low "G", to simplify fingering for A
and B(b). � Of course, without some notation or specific description,
we'll never know.
Best to all, and keep playing (and discovering!),
Chris.
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 9:21 AM Tristan von Neumann
<[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
Thanks Ron,
though I was referring to published music, not to the fact that
there
were lutes with more courses.
Are there any even earlier examples?
:
On 05.06.20 14:12, Ron Andrico wrote:
> � � �Tristan, it is a common misconception that early
sixteenth-century
> � � �music should only be played on a six-course lute. � Just
like
the
> � � �misconception that lutenists only played with a plectrum
until 1507,
> � � �misguided modern historians mistakenly believe that
seven-course lutes
> � � �did not enter the picture until Dowland's lifetime.
>
> � � �Fortunately, there is descriptive evidence to the contrary
penned by
> � � �Philippo Oriolo da Bassano from his poem Monte Parnaso, dated
no later
> � � �than 1541. � Canto XX fancifully describes a handful of
known
lutenists
> � � �ranging from Pietrobono, to Gian Maria, Marco dall' Aquila,
Spinacino
> � � �and Francesco da Milano.
> � � �"There ensues a curious contest between two lutenists, one
playing an
> � � �instrument of thirteen strings, the other, one of seventeen
strings
> � � �These numbers are almost certainly to be understood as
referring to
> � � �seven courses (the lower six strings doubled) and eight
courses (the
> � � �lower seven strings doubled), respectively...As early as
1511,
> � � �Sebastian Virdung, Musica getutscht...states that nine
strings are too
> � � �few, and since not all lutes have thirteen or fourteen
strings, eleven
> � � �are best."
>
> � � �- H. Colin Slim, "Musicians on Parnassus", _Studies in the
> � � �Renaissance_, Vol. 12 (1965) p. 140.
> � � �
�__________________________________________________________________
>
> � � �From: [2]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
> � � �<[3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of
Tristan von
> � � �Neumann <[4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
> � � �Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 1:11 AM
> � � �To: [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu <[6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> � � �Subject: [LUTE] 7c. Lute music
>
> � � �While playing to Sarge's new Gerle series (thanks!)
> � �
�[1][7]http://gerbode.net/sources/GerleH/Musica_Teutsch_1532/pdf/
> � � �I saw this sentence: "Nun volgen etliche stucklein hernach in
der
> � � �Tabulatur zu den
> � � �dreyzehen saytten."
> � � �(Now following: several pieces in tabs for 13 strings)
> � � �So this music is genuine 7 course music published already in
1532.
> � � �(The scordatura pieces are called "im Abzug")
> � � �Btw, the Josquin intabulations are sweet and easy on the
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