On 13-11-10 05:24 AM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote: > In fact, auto-restart might be needed only if some component crashes. > And also in fact, in many cases this does not work at all, because when > that happens, the possibility that conditions for the crash still present > is high so it crashes again and again. I'm not sure if auto-restart have > to be there at all.
Auto-restart is very important to have for core desktop components and it's also very nice to have as an option for other things which can die as a result of transient error conditions. For example, if Openbox and LXPanel didn't auto-restart, I'd be forced to patch their desktop files to launch this sort of thing instead. sh -c 'until lxpanel --profile Lubuntu; do echo; done' (The most concise way I've found to say "Restart until it exits cleanly" but still an annoying source of pointless clutter in process lists.) I actually DO use that for conky because it likes to randomly die on me after several days of runtime and I didn't have the time to figure out how to opt-in for auto-restart when I set it up and I still don't have time to fiddle around with enabling core dumping at the moment. Other examples of persistent but transient crash-causing conditions where auto-restart has saved me tons of frustration: - Fiddling with PDF viewer windows has sometimes caused Openbox to crash persistently but somewhat unpredictably. Thanks to auto-restart, all my windows flicker and then I can get back to work. - Rapidly opening and closing LibreOffice windows as part of splitting a .DOC into several dozen per-chapter HTML files can cause LXPanel to freeze or crash. In the former case (lxpanel freezes), I hit Win+Space to pull up gmrun (habit since I normally demand a run dialog with tab completion and command history) and type "killall -SEGV lxpanel" because it's easier than remembering or looking up the exact command to respawn it after SIGTERM causes lxsession to omit the auto-restart. In both cases (freeze or crash), I then usually have to hit Win+Space again and type "sh -c 'audtool shutdown; sleep 2; audacious &'" because LXPanel is the only panel which doesn't take responsibility for recovering tray icons and Audacious is one of a handful of apps (Audacious, neap, oDesk Team) which don't take responsibility for re-creating their tray icons and, since no Audacious devs use LXDE, their response is "Unless you want to provide a patch, it's a bug in LXPanel, not Audacious, since it works in Xfce, GNOME, KDE, etc." - Various PCManFM crashes I've encountered over the years. Plus, it's a lot easier to tell my mother to "killall <...>" over the phone than it is to talk her through dropping into the system console, setting DISPLAY, and re-launching openbox with the correct profile specified because, when the window manager dies in a DE, a non-wizard is essentially in a "You need a terminal to launch the WM. You need the WM to launch and focus a terminal." situation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ November Webinars for C, C++, Fortran Developers Accelerate application performance with scalable programming models. Explore techniques for threading, error checking, porting, and tuning. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60136231&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk _______________________________________________ Lxde-list mailing list Lxde-list@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list
