2013/11/13 Jerome Leclanche <adys...@gmail.com>
> razor-session is buggy and lacking. With systemd-only sessions around
>
Buggy and lacking? In what ways? It was always stable for me and did what I
needed.
br. Chr.
the corner, the need for an actual session manager is lessened (which
> is a great thing, honestly). Improving lxsession and making it
> optional (eg. integrating with systemd when available) is the best
> path available to us.
> J. Leclanche
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Alexis López Zubieta
> <azubi...@estudiantes.uci.cu> wrote:
> > El 10/11/13 15:58, Andrej N. Gritsenko escribió:
> >
> >> Hello!
> >>
> >> Stephan Sokolow has written on Sunday, 10 November, at 6:42:
> >>>
> >>> On 13-11-10 05:24 AM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> In fact, auto-restart might be needed only if some component
> >>>> crashes.
> >>>> And also in fact, in many cases this does not work at all, because
> when
> >>>> that happens, the possibility that conditions for the crash still
> >>>> present
> >>>> is high so it crashes again and again. I'm not sure if auto-restart
> have
> >>>> to be there at all.
> >>
> >> [...skipped...]
> >>>
> >>> - Fiddling with PDF viewer windows has sometimes caused Openbox to
> crash
> >>> persistently but somewhat unpredictably. Thanks to auto-restart, all my
> >>> windows flicker and then I can get back to work.
> >>
> >> Well, I don't know who restarts Openbox. I always believed if
> window
> >> manager crashes then the whole session will crash as well. But you know,
> >> since window manager is a core for all applications, it cannot be
> started
> >> the same way as some application so it is irrelevant for the subject of
> >> discission (i.e. autorestart for /etc/xdg/autostart/ items) in any case.
> >>
> >>> - Rapidly opening and closing LibreOffice windows as part of splitting
> a
> >>> .DOC into several dozen per-chapter HTML files can cause LXPanel to
> >>> freeze or crash.
> >>> In the former case (lxpanel freezes), I hit Win+Space to pull up
> >>> gmrun (habit since I normally demand a run dialog with tab
> completion
> >>> and command history) and type "killall -SEGV lxpanel" because it's
> >>> easier than remembering or looking up the exact command to respawn
> it
> >>> after SIGTERM causes lxsession to omit the auto-restart.
> >>> In both cases (freeze or crash), I then usually have to hit
> Win+Space
> >>> again and type "sh -c 'audtool shutdown; sleep 2; audacious &'"
> >>> because LXPanel is the only panel which doesn't take responsibility
> >>> for recovering tray icons and Audacious is one of a handful of apps
> >>> (Audacious, neap, oDesk Team) which don't take responsibility for
> >>> re-creating their tray icons and, since no Audacious devs use LXDE,
> >>> their response is "Unless you want to provide a patch, it's a bug in
> >>> LXPanel, not Audacious, since it works in Xfce, GNOME, KDE, etc."
> >>
> >> Yes, I'm aware that lxpanel is somewhat buggy and sometimes
> crashes.
> >> If I wasn't so busy with libmenu-cache/libfm/pcmanfm I would take part
> in
> >> it. It seems as the most buggy core component of LXDE. It still has 129
> >> bugreports in the bugtracker and I'm not sure if there are no other bugs
> >> still unreported. :(
> >>
> >> May be I should go for it after the LibFM/PCManFM 1.2.0 will get a
> >> final release? Yes, I know, Qt will be ready sometime later, but for now
> >> it is still raw and unusable for me so I still stick with pcmanfm and
> >> lxpanel GTK+ versions (yes, I restart lxpanel manually when it crashes
> >> and I don't use "start application" function of lxpanel, I use Xfce
> >> starter instead, it is similar to lxpanel's one, but reliable and also
> >> can remember history of commands).
> >>
> >> Well, anyway, I still believe any autorestart is a workaround,
> which
> >> is dirty and very bad thing to do, we have to fix core components
> instead
> >> of workarounding bugs. :)
> >>
> >> Well, how Xfce, GNOME, KDE, etc. handle similar issues? Do they
> also
> >> autorestart core DE components?
> >>
> >>> - Various PCManFM crashes I've encountered over the years.
> >>
> >> About PCManFM I treat any crash as issue that should be fixed ASAP,
> >> and that issue should never ever happen and I highly suggest never do
> >> autorestart on it. Well, I know, it crashed before 1.0 as in a hell, but
> >> now if it ever crashes, feel free to bomb me, it is simply an emergency
> >> situation.
> >>
> >> Cheers!
> >> Andriy.
> >
> >
> > Hello:
> >
> > I was cheeking the PCman proposal and it seems good to me but why are you
> > not taking nothing from the razor-qr session? Will this be the same
> session
> > for bot lxqt and lxde ?
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> > Alexis López Zubieta
> > Nova Light Development Team
> > University of Informatics Sciences (Cuba)
> >
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