On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 6:51 AM Daniel <xraco...@gmx.de> wrote: > On 22/02/2022 23:51, Joel Kulesza wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 12:30 PM Daniel <xraco...@gmx.de > > <mailto:xraco...@gmx.de>> wrote: > > > > On 2022-02-22 14:02, Thibaut Cuvelier wrote: > > > On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 at 13:40, Jürgen Spitzmüller <sp...@lyx.org > > <mailto:sp...@lyx.org> > > > <mailto:sp...@lyx.org <mailto:sp...@lyx.org>>> wrote: > > > > > > Am Di., 22. Feb. 2022 um 13:00 Uhr schrieb Daniel > > <xraco...@gmx.de <mailto:xraco...@gmx.de> > > > <mailto:xraco...@gmx.de <mailto:xraco...@gmx.de>>>: > > > > > > I am wondering what the purpose of the "Table of > > Contents" in the > > > Outliner is. Is it supposed to show those elements that > > actually > > > appear > > > in the "Table of Contents"? Or all "Sectioning"/"Headings" > > > independently > > > of whether they actually appear in the TOC. > > > > > > Currently, it seems to rather do the latter than the > former > > > because it > > > also lists "starred" sectioning entries that don't go > > into the TOC. > > > > > > > > > Yes. Also Frames in beamer and other structural elements. One > > > purpose is to easily move around parts of the document. > > > > > > Maybe a renaming would be worthwhile in order to not > > confuse the > > > two? > > > > > > > > > I figure the most common term is actually "outline". Or > "document > > > structure". > > > > > > > > > The Outline pane does more than just the sections of the > > document, it > > > would be really weird to rename the ToC "Outline". "Document > > structure" > > > seems better. > > > (By the way, Google Docs has a "Outline" pane and Word a > > "Navigation" > > > one, for the same purpose.) > > > > I noticed that when one clicks on a "Table of Contents" command > inset, > > the Outline with the "Table of Contents" opens. So, I guess that > > connection is not ideal either currently because not only TOC entries > > are shown. > > > > > > A few remarks from someone who uses the outline pane heavily to contend > > with a particularly large and complicated document: please note that > > many approaches to using the Outline pane exist. I use the "TOC" > > entries; however, I heavily use the figure, table, citations, > > cross-reference, marginal notes, and equation drop-down-based views > > also. Accordingly, I recommend not getting too fixated on the > > terminology in one of many cases. > > So, do you mean that the other entries in the outline have also > terminological or other problems? If it is other problems, then I just > want to point out that terminology problems are (at least in principle) > very easy to fix and hence might be worthwhile. >
Daniel, I'd actually meant the reverse: I do not see a problem with the current labeling for any of the components nor would I read into how one uses them (as a "true" TOC, or merely that of organizational structure). My thought is that the content is self evident and thus effort better spent elsewhere. Thanks, Joel
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