Bottom line for me is To Learn and Enjoy. I've learned quite a bit from you
guys! The detail is great! Since it's a dual power supply I plan on adding a
USB port to be used with the smaller voltmeter screen(waiting on the part). In
today's world USB is common now and not just banana plugs. I built the
internal power supply about 2 years ago. Got it from JameCo with the power cord
and all parts. Here's the link. Adjustable Power Supply Kit JE215 Jameco
Kitpro
It's funny but I have more money into this unit than the more sophisticated one
I bought a few months back. Originally when I bought the one from JameCo I
hated that I hated to use a small flat head screwdriver to adjust the voltage
and THEN put a meter to the terminals before using it on projects. Hence me
making the changes. Now I'm close to seeing it to fruition.
I'll send another pic when I add the PS rocker (bottom left) and the USB port
(round - easier to drill the hole) bottom right.
Thanks
S
On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 02:56:40 PM EST, Mike Stein
<[email protected]> wrote:
Well, it's rare that Brian and I completely agree on anything (almost as rare
as non-polarized line cords ;-) but he's summed it up perfectly.
Just to be sure, I'd double check with a meter that the switch contacts are
indeed the two silver pins (1 & 2); connecting the line across those would not
be a good idea.
Just curious: where'd you get that cord? Aside from items that have an
isolating transformer, non-polarized cords and double-insulation seem to be
becoming more and more common on small appliances that used to have three-prong
grounded cords.
That supply looks gorgeous by the way!
m
On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 8:32 PM Spencer <[email protected]> wrote:
I've included a few pics. I thought i had it figured out, but maybe not. I
actually haven't put on a new AC rocker yet - still waiting on them. Here's the
link => 10x SPST Red Neon Light On/Off Round Rocker Switch 6A/250V 10A/125V AC
| eBay
This project has really turned out well, and I don't want to kill it wiring the
rocker wrong!! The pics do show both blades are the same so my eyes tell me,
but they've been wrong before.
Let me know what you think of the pics.
Thanks
Spencer
On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 07:35:20 PM EST, Mike Stein
<[email protected]> wrote:
Glad you got it sorted.
BTW, not that it matters much in your application but I'd be surprised if that
cord were not polarized. Most cords like that are, and yours looks like it has
a ridge on one side that denotes the neutral (some cords use a white stripe).
Are you sure that one blade of the plug isn't wider than the other so it can
only plug in one way?
It's not a matter of plus or minus but of safety; on a lamp for instance where
you can touch the threaded part while changing a bulb you want to be sure that
it's connected to ground and not the 115+ volt hot 'line' side and that the
switch turns off the 115V and not the grounded 'neutral'.
m
On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 3:04 PM Spencer <[email protected]> wrote:
Hello Brian.
It's a SPST 3 position switch. Link ==> 10x SPST Red Neon Light On/Off Round
Rocker Switch 6A/250V 10A/125V AC | eBay
Been busy - darn gum surgery. Not fun ;-(
On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 07:16:09 PM EST, Brian K. White
<[email protected]> wrote:
If the plug is not polarized then there is no hot or neutral.
One wire IS hot (swings from -120v to +120v relative to GND).
And one wire IS neutral (stays at 0v relative to GND).
Relative to each other, it's the same 120vac either direction, or
rather, there is no such thing as a direction.
But if the plug is not polarized then you have to treat both wires as
equally hot, since every time it's plugged in either side could be the
hot side that time, at random.
Switches come in all kinds of arrangements, so the only way to know how
to wire this particular switch is to test it with a continuity tester
and observe what connections it makes in each position, or consult it's
datasheet. Sometimes there is a diagram of the connections drawn right
on the body, otherwise google it's model number or find the datasheet
from the website where you got it or perhaps it's packaging.
A rocker with 3 pins and 2 positions (you didn't say how many positions
btw so I'm assuming) is fairly likely to be a center-common SPDT on-on,
hopefully non-shorting (break-before-make). Meaning the center pin is
connected to either one side or the other at any given time. When you're
turning one pin off, you're also turning the other pin on at the same
time. In this case since yoiu only care about turning something on/off,
you would just use the common pin and either one of the others. You just
run your hot wire from the wall to the center pin and connect the load
to either of the other pins, either one, doesn't matter, but only one,
and leave the other pin unconnected. (might want to cover it with
heat-shrink)
Except that is just one common configuration and might not be right for
your switch.
Really the switch could be totally different. It might have 3 positions
and be on-off-on, or the common pin might not be the center pin, or it
could be a lighted switch where only 2 pins are for switching and the
3rd pin is to power the light, and that light may also possibly not take
the same voltage as what's passing through the main pins.
Even a lighted switch where at least one of the pins is definitely
special and different, still doesn't necessarily have a right way to
wire it, since it's still up to you to decide when you want the light to
be on. Usually you want the light to reflect the power state, on when
the device is turned on. Or maybe you want the light to be a pilot light
that is on at all times so that you can find it in the dark, or so that
it indicates when power is available to the device rather than
indicating when the device is turned on.
There is unlikely to be a particular pin for GND. It's possible if the
switch has a metal body, or for example light switches in walls, or if
it has a light it might have a specific gnd pin, but generally there is
no such thing as a gnd pin on a switch, they are just contacts which you
connect to whatever your application requires. The closest thing to a
right or wrong is a general rule that for a mains power switch would be
to switch the hot side rather than the neutral side, simply so that when
it's in the off position, the least amount of things are hot.
But since you have a non-polarized plug, both wires are equally likely
to be hot at any given time, and so you just pick either one for the
switch, and treat the entire inside of the box as hot, and make sure the
whole box is well sealed and insulated, and users are well protected
from the internals. Or better, get rid of the non-polarized plug and use
a polarized one, and then you have an actual hot side to treat as the
hot side.
--
bkw
On 12/5/22 21:52, Spencer wrote:
> Hello
>
> Got a wiring question.
>
> I built a simple 18VDC PS from JameCo and I put it in a project box.
> I've added two pots for adjusting power, banana plugs for external
> power, two mini voltmeters and will add a USB port for 5VDC. All this
> works but now I want to add a AC rocker. The above was simple except
> for the meticulous care that's needed to drill into a metal box. Now the
> next item I want to add is an AC rocker switch but I'm a bit unsure how.
> It's a 3 terminal AC rocker, and my understanding is the bronze terminal
> is ground, the center is the power source, and the 3rd one is
> accessory/load. What confuses me is the proper way to wire it. If the
> plug was polarized I wouldn't be confused. I've attached a photo of the
> back of the PS which shows the two power supply wires (one with writing
> and the other none). The videos I've seen doesn't explain which is
> power/live and which is ground using this type of wire. The plug isn't
> polarized so it's not easy for me to determine + from -. I put a meter
> to the wires inside the PS and it shows 119 and if I switch the probes
> it still shows 119. What I was expecting was to see -119 when the probes
> were wrong and this would've told me which is + and - but it didn't. So
> which wire goes to the power source terminal and which wire goes to the
> ground terminal? Do I simply wire it by wiring together the wires with
> writing and the wires without writing? I hope I've made sense.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
--
bkw
