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I have now confirmed that teeny & tiny work OK with the multiplan ROM

But, trying DSKMGR got this issue…

Is DSKMGR compatible with M102?

When I try to load it I get an ?FC error 

On line 11

The command that is failing is:

Clear  256,60700

If I just try to enter that command, I get sane failure 

So DSKMGR will not load??

Thanks
Mike

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> On Feb 15, 2023, at 8:58 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> 
> 
> You can take the card out of the Backpack and put in a PC or all the same 
> files are on GitHub. More than one way to skin a cat…
>  
> Jeff Birt
>  
> From: M100 <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Comcast
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 8:52 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [M100] Conflict with Backpack SD drive
>  
> No worries and thank you
>  
> It’s starting to slowly come together, I’ll get it figured
>  
> It’s just a bit complicated, like - I see there is a readme.txt file in the 
> card, but I can’t open it, read it or transfer it to the computer since it’s 
> not a .do
>  
> It’s just my ignorance using this system & CLI
>  
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Feb 15, 2023, at 8:10 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> 
> 
> It is all in the manual. The bootloader that is used is set by the BOOT 
> command. The default ‘IPL’ bootloader determines the type of computer used 
> and then loads the correct version of TS-DOS. To use something other than 
> TS-DOS you use the BOOT command in the CLI to tell the BPD+ what to use. 
> Starting on page 54 in the manual is a description of the different disk 
> manager programs available. Look up the BOOT command in the command list to 
> learn more about it. 
> 
> There is a lot in the manual so it can take a bit of time to warp one’s head 
> around it all. The index does a pretty good job of pointing out where the 
> major sections are.
>  
> Jeff Birt
>  
> From: M100 <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Comcast
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 8:53 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [M100] Conflict with Backpack SD drive
>  
> Jeff, sincere apologies for my ignorance..
>  
> I see the sector0 directory files on the website and I can see them all now 
> via CLI on my SD card in backpack on my M102.
>  
> But all the instructions for either TS-DOS, DSKMGR, Tweeny or Tiny say to run 
> “com:98n1enn”.   And all of these programs are in the sector0 directory ?
>  
> So where do I go and what do I edit so that when I run that call it selects 
> tweeny vs TS-DOS ??  Something must be calling out TS-DOS currently
>  
> Thanks!
>  
> mike
>  
> From: M100 <[email protected]> on behalf of 
> <[email protected]>
> Reply-To: <[email protected]>
> Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 4:03 PM
> To: <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [M100] Conflict with Backpack SD drive
>  
> Look on the SD card that came in the Backpack, The user’s manual is on there 
> and has all the directions, all of the various TSDOS clients are already 
> installed on the card too. On Github:  
> https://github.com/Jeff-Birt/Backpack/tree/main/BPD%2B%20Files there are 
> three main folders: Documentation, Firmware and SD Card. The ReadMe in each 
> describe what the files are.
>  
> Jeff Birt
>  
> From: M100 <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Comcast
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 3:36 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [M100] Conflict with Backpack SD drive
>  
> Thanks Jeff
>  
> Can you advise where I can find tenet on your GitHub site as well as 
> instructions for what I need to change on the SD card to use this vs DOS100.co
>  
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 14, 2023, at 10:12 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> 
> 
> Talking to friend who created Backpack and he suggested trying Teeny.co as it 
> does not hook into anything. You could use the CLI to change directories if 
> needed. Let us know if it works.
>  
> Jeff Birt
>  
> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 8:27 AM
> To: '[email protected]' <[email protected]>
> Subject: RE: [M100] Conflict with Backpack SD drive
>  
> I don’t know if they will behave differently or not. It would not hurt 
> anything to try.
>  
> Jeff
>  
> From: M100 <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Comcast
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 8:02 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [M100] Conflict with Backpack SD drive
>  
> Thanks, will do!
>  
> Did you see my note/question on if the other (non TS-DOS) disk managers 
> listed in your manual might also be worth trying?
>  
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
> 
> On Feb 14, 2023, at 7:56 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> 
> 
> The bootstrap program is just a bit of BASIC that loads TSDOS, it does 
> nothing else and does not stay resident/running so there is nothing to 
> uninstall. 
> 
> It might be that part of TS-DOS is being installed in high memory and this is 
> conflicting with Multiplan? Go to: http://club100.org/library/libdoc.html  , 
> look on the right center of page and download TSDOS.PDF ‘The Best On’. There 
> are a lot of TSDOS tips and tricks in there including how to uninstall it.
>  
> Jeff Birt
>  
> From: M100 <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Comcast
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 7:28 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: M100 <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [M100] Conflict with Backpack SD drive
>  
> Thanks Jeff,
>  
> I tried that - nope 
>  
> Do the other disk manager softwares you speak of install differently, worth 
> trying?
>  
> What is the method to “uninstall” the bootstrap? Couldn’t find that anywhere, 
> so just did a cold reset 
>  
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 14, 2023, at 7:22 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m just guessing here but suspect that TS-DOS is hooking into some of the 
> same resources that Multiplan tries to hook into. You might try the ‘DOS OFF’ 
> button before trying to run Multiplan.
>  
> Jeff Birt
>  
> From: M100 <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Comcast
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 11:15 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: M100 <[email protected]>
> Subject: [M100] Conflict with Backpack SD drive
>  
> All, just when I thought I was over my challenges with my MS multiplan ROM.
>  
> As was explained to me in great detail (thanks you!) that this ROM does have 
> some atypical characteristics, like forcing a cold reset upon install or 
> removal.
>  
> I was excited to just purchase and receive one of the backpack SD card  units 
> that simulates a TPDD. IT works great but….
>  
> Here is where I need help from the experts, something about its bootstrap 
> installation of TS-DOS, which By the way I cannot seem to find any 
> instruction, manual or otherwise on how to uninstall this bootstrap!  But 
> regardless, it does something in RAM that now conflicts with my multiplan ROM 
> ☹
>  
> Multiplan will not run if the TS-DOS is installed per the instructions for 
> the backpack, if I cold reset, then multiplan will run fine, but as soon as I 
> install the SD card  bootstrap, when I enter multiplan it just returns me to 
> the menu
>  
> Thanks in advance for any assistance, I am hoping I can identify the conflict 
> and load the TS-DOS in a different location ?!?
>  
> Model 102  BTW
>  
> mike

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