Hello Sarah With all due respect I think you're taking this way out of context now. The original point was simply that the screen-reader should "read" and not "interpret" the textual content that it provides you with. You make reference to "sighted' people. As visual abled people, it is totally different. Just as it is when you read Braille. You extrapolate the meaning of what you read in your mind. However, in the case of the screen-reader, you then have to re-interpret what the screen-reader changes because as it is presented to you in cases where the reader incorrectly interprets things, you then have to figure out exactly what it really should mean.
Therefore, the screen-reader or speech synthesis engine should simply verbalise what's really there, not what it thinks, using artificial intelligence, is there. This is not a problem which is unique to Apple; that much is very true. But in this instance you're dealing with Apple for the most part. Although a number of people on list do use the iVox voices I believe, the majority don't andm, accordingly, they deal with Apple directly. As visually impaired people, it seems to me that you'd want to be presented with accurate information wherever possible. I and those like me who are fortunate enough to possess our visual faculty are able to attain this information without the aid of artificial intelligence and thus, we see what's really there in front of us. When the screen content is being changed from what it really is by some artificial intelligence, it can often be misleading i think and based on the reactions I've seen from a number of people, that would seem to be the case. However, those who are happy with what they're hearing are the ones who seem to be making the most noise about it hear. I find that interesting actually. This doesn't have to be a debate, and perhaps Gordon's initial subject line was a little too aggressive in terms of literal interpretation. On 30 Aug 2011, at 22:54, Sarah Alawami wrote: Exactly. I think we should all just interpret how we read thing.s after all is that not what the sighted person does? and besides, we can get rid of the things in the dictionary and start afresh. We can bug apple about it but I really don't thnk ti will work this time around. Take care all. On Aug 30, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hello Chris > > Alex, Fred, Albert etc., are Apple voices. Thus you approach Apple. Would > you not agree? > > Gordon > > On 30 Aug 2011, at 16:32, Chris G wrote: > > Maybe we should go after the true problem, and that is the text to > speech writers. It isn't just apple and apple voices. My windows > voices from ivona and the Kate and Paul voices that come with Kurzweil > 1000 do this too. > > If there is a generic string that the screen reader can send to the > synthesizer to turn that functionality off, that is what is really > needed. > > I remember Vocal-eyes for dos had a command where you could send escape > sequences to the synthesizer if you knew them modifying this behavior. > vo could have a check box expand abbreviations then send the sequence to > the synthesizer turning them on or off. > > > > On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:20:27 +0100 > Gordon Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello Sarah >> >> The point here, even if you can modify the pronunciation dictionaries is >> that you shouldn't have too. The screen-reader should read what is present >> on screen not what somebody else thinks was meant. >> >> On 30 Aug 2011, at 16:17, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >> You can just edit the dictionary and see if that works. 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