Apologies folks, please ignore. On 30 Aug 2011, at 16:34, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> Gone! Wasn't aware it shouldn't be up there.. > On 30 Aug 2011, at 16:17, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> You can just edit the dictionary and see if that works. I do that a a lot. >> for words the tI know it will mispronounce, like my name lol! and it read >> the dates and times correctly in that message btw and I"m using the default >> voices. >> On Aug 30, 2011, at 7:42 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: >> >>> >>> On Aug 29, 2011, at 5:13 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Gordon, >>>> >>>> This is something that the Infovox voices do, not Apple's. In fact, if you >>>> switch to a voice by Apple, Alex or others do not interpret this wrongly. >>>> I'm guessing in some places this is another way to format the dates, and >>>> VoiceOver does not always govern how information is interpreted >>> >>> I beg to differ. >>> Apple's nasty habbit of saying what it thinks you want to hear instead of >>> what's actually written on the screen has cost me many hours of work over >>> the years. >>> There's no reason for voices to say Sunday just because someone is talking >>> about the sun, and the word just happens to be at the end of the sentence. >>> Check out your particular voice says the following, (different voices and >>> different os versions will pronounce these differently) >>> Sat, sun, VOL, ->, :), ;), STEGOSAURUS, ST, AVE, RD, DR, PL, Wed, Tue, Pt, >>> TWENTY-SIX, TWENTY-FIVE (You get the idea >>> (and how about roman numerals, >>> I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, IX, X, XI, XII, XIII, XIV, XV, XVI, XVII, >>> XVIII, XIX, XX, XXI, XXII, XXIII, XXIV, XXV, XXVI, XXVII, XXVIII, XXIX, >>> (you get the idea) It's nice that roman numerals are pronounced as numbers, >>> but sometimes, they're not supposed to be. >>> I can't tell you how many times Apple has told me something was on the >>> screen that wasn't, that wasted either debugging time, or confusion over >>> sorting order, filenames, and other various issues that crop up as a result >>> of having things spoken that weren't there. >>> Of course, this isn't new, the apple II used to do this too. The Echo >>> synth used to say tangent when it ran across the letters T A N. I can't >>> tell you how many of my summer computer camp students were confused because >>> of the apple claiming there was a tangent rat in their game. >>> I for one don't mind figuring out what is intended myself, instead of >>> having the synthesizer speak something that may or may not be what's >>> intended. >>> I'm very very strongly of the opinion that a screen reader should read >>> what's on the screen, and leave the interpreting of that info up to the >>> user. >>> Apple's method of trying to do this for you is irritating, and at times >>> downright wrong, costing time and effort to try to figure out what's really >>> meant. I've asked for a toggle to have this behavior turned off/on at >>> need, (I'd leave it off all the time) but apple has seen fit to ignore such >>> requests. >>> I much prefer to hear what's there, not what someone thinks is there. >>> I've had to work with my 6-year old daughter, and 9-year old son to get >>> them to do the same, read what's on the page, not what you think is there. >>> Yeah, perhaps it's a bit more effort for the reader, and maybe it's >>> (slightly) confusing, but I'd much rather know what's actually there, not >>> someone's interpretation of what it is. >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> [email protected] >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/>. >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.xml> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>> the list website at: >>> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> [email protected] >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/>. >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.xml> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/> > > Dónal Fitzpatrick > [email protected] > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > [email protected] > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> > or at the public Mail Archive: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/>. > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.xml> > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and > worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/> Dónal Fitzpatrick [email protected] <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to [email protected] You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> or at the public Mail Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/>. 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