Actually kevin's method no longer works. They removed the ability some time
back. if you are to double tap and hold on a line of text or what not in a
email there is no edit option. Not as far as I can tell, Also they removed the
spell check feature even though in the keyboard option it says spell check on
or off. I have mine set to on. so kevin's podcast unless I broke something way
back in ios4 when playing with settings 6 months ago broke something.
Take care all.
On Nov 17, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Esther wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> Sarah's explanation of the behavior of the insertion point position describes
> how to tell where you are positioned in a text entry, and also which
> characters will be removed when you press the delete key, but I'll try to
> answer your specific questions by interleaving replies. You might want to
> check the earlier podcasts at the Vision Australia web site (for the iPhone
> 3GS, for example), because the concepts of keyboard entry arise very early,
> and they probably didn't redo podcasts to have separate episodes for the iPod
> Touch, iPhone 4, etc.
>
> Other than this, while there probably are podcasts that demonstrate this, I
> can't quickly think of one. (Of course, Mike Arrigo's podcasts tend to cover
> everything, so you could start there *smile*.) One podcast demonstration
> that might help you out is Kevin Chao's podcast on "Text selection. Copying
> and pasting" at:
> feed://kevinchao.podbean.com/feed/
> It's actually more complicated than what you're asking about, but the second
> half of the podcast describes using the web rotor to move your insertion
> point by characters and words, and what VoiceOver announces.
>
>
> Michael Busboom wrote:
>> MB: 1. How can a document that is currently being written checked for
>> errors? In other words, must one somehow leave the keyboard app in order to
>> do this?
> Esther: If you are typing with the virtual keyboard in the bottom half of the
> screen, you can leave the keyboard up, but move your hand to the top half of
> the screen and set the rotor to either "characters" or "words". Do this by
> placing thumb and forefinger on the screen, with a slight separation, and
> twisting clockwise (or counter clockwise), as though you were turning a dial.
> Some people find it easier to use their index finger and middle finger, and
> twist these to make the turning gesture.
>
>> MB 2. When hitting the Delete button, how does one determine whether the
>> first character of the text has just been deleted or whether the cursor is
>> at the end of the text, and deleting from right to left is occurring?
> When you're in a text field and double tap, you'll hear VoiceOver alternately
> say "insertion point at start" or "insertion point at end". The way to check
> your insertion point in the middle of a document is to set the rotor to
> either "characters" or "words" and then to flick down (to move forward) or
> flick up (to move backwards). VoiceOver will announce the character or word
> that you just moved over.
>
> Let's take an example. You're in the Notes app and just typed "Hello world",
> and want to review your entry. Currently you're at the bottom of the
> document. You double tap and hear VoiceOver say "insertion point at start",
> so the insertion point has just been moved before the H in "Hello". If my
> rotor is set to "characters", then each flick down moves the insertion point
> one character to the right. VoiceOver announces each character as you move
> the insertion point over it, so the direction that you move counts! If I'm
> at the start of the phrase, I won't be able to flick up to move to the left
> of the H in "Hello". If I flick down to move by one character to the right,
> I hear "H" as the insertion point moves from before the "H" to a position
> between the "H" and the "e". If I flick down again, I hear "e" as the
> insertion point moves over the "e" to a position between the "e" and the
> first "l" in "Hello". But, had I instead flicked up to move by one character
> to the left,
I
> would have moved back over the "H" to my starting point, and VoiceOver would
> have announced "H" as I moved over this letter from the other direction.
>
> If I keep flicking down in an editable field, with my rotor set to character,
> I hear all the letters announced as the insertion point moves over the
> letters from left to right: H, e, l, l, o, space, w, o, r, l, and d. Now,
> suppose I wanted to edit and change "world" to "word". After I flicked down
> and moved past the "l" of "world" and hear it announced, my insertion point
> is between the "l" that I just heard VoiceOver announce, and the final letter
> "d". Double tapping the "delete" key deletes the letter to the left of the
> insertion point. If I double tap the "delete" key to the right of the "m"
> key and just above the "return" key in the bottom right corner of the virtual
> keyboard, I'll delete the "l", and VoiceOver will announce the new word,
> "word" (instead of "world"). My insertion point is still before the final
> letter ("d") in the phrase. I can flick down to move my insertion point to
> the end of the text.
>
> The same process works to edit phrases by word. If my insertion point is at
> the start of the phrase, and I've set my rotor to "word" instead of
> "character", then flicking down moves my insertion point one word to the
> right. I hear VoiceOver say "Hello". The insertion point is just after the
> final "o" in "Hello". Pressing the delete key would have VoiceOver announce
> the deleted letter ("o"). If I now flick up to move left by one word,
> VoiceOver announces "Hell", and the insertion point is placed to the left of
> the word (at the beginning of the phrase, before the "H"). If I want to edit
> "world", and assuming it were near the end of a sentence (instead of being
> the second word) I could flick down to move through the sentence by words.
> Then, when I was just before "world", I could change the rotor from "word" to
> "character" and flick down to hear the individual characters announced, and
> make my correction. Or, more likely, I would flick down and hear "world"
> announced,
an
> d decide that I wanted to edit that word. So I would change my rotor to
> "character" instead of "word", and start flicking up to move to the left. My
> insertion point is always placed before or after the character (or word) I
> have just navigated past. Since I navigated to the right (flicked down) by
> word, it is after the final letter "d" in "world" -- the word I just heard
> VoiceOver announce. If I flicked up (to navigate to the left) before
> switching the rotor to "characters", the insertion point would be placed at
> the end of the previous word (e.g., it would be all set to announce the
> "Hello" with the next flick up).
>
>> MB: 3. Does anyone know of a podcast where this topic is handled in greater
>> depth? I only started using my iPhone yesterday, and I really can't
>> complain too much. I only encountered the keyboard entry problem when I
>> unsuccessfully tried to sign in to a website. :)
>
>
> Esther: There probably is a podcast that covers this, but I can't think of
> one offhand. You might have an easier time reviewing entries with a paired
> Bluetooth keyboard. I'm going to paste in the question and response I gave
> to a much earlier list post by Matthew Chao last year. He wrote:
>
>> Finally, I have an Apple Bluetooth keyboard. Is there any way I can get VO
>> to just say words while on the keyboard, not repeating characters, while on
>> the phone itself, repeat characters and words?
> Esther: The issue you have stems from the fact that VoiceOver is announcing
> both your context location and your specific items when you navigate through
> text with a keyboard. If you only want specific words spoken, hold down the
> Shift key to select entries as you navigate -- then only the items that you
> select with the keyboard will be spoken. If you press Shift+Option+Right
> Arrow, for example, you will move your insertion point to the right by one
> word (Option+Right Arrow), and also select it (since the Shift key was
> pressed). VoiceOver will announce that word. If you keep holding down the
> Shift and Option keys while tapping the Right arrow key, you'll hear
> VoiceOver announce those words, too. If you hold down the Shift key and just
> tap the Right arrow key, you'll be selecting characters, and VoiceOver will
> announce the character. You can select from present point to end of line
> (Shift+Command+Right arrow) or to the beginning of a line (Shift+Command+Left
> arrow). You c
an
> also move (and select) by lines by using your Up and Down arrow keys. To
> get out of selection mode, just move your cursor (e.g. press right or left
> arrow) without holding down the shift key. The keyboard shortcuts were
> posted to this list earlier, and can be found in the archives.
>
> HTH. Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
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