probably not Gordon, but why fix something that isn't broken? If we look at how a sighted user navigates from messages to mailboxes it's a mousemovement and a click on the appropriate mailbox. Under Lion, it was one keystroke (albeit involving two keys) and the initial letters of the folder you wanted. Now: 1. stop interacting with the table; 2. VO left; 3. Vo-left; 4. interact with mailboxes table; 5. type initial letters of the mailbox.
By anyone's metrics, let alone those of theoretical human-computer interaction, that's broken. Dónal On 26 Jul 2012, at 14:12, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Donal > > Yes, I agree with you totally on that point. I much prefer to use OS key > stroke for much the same reasons. However, look at this particular problem > logically. Are you really going to be using Mail without a screen-reader? > > Gordon > > > On 26 Jul 2012, at 14:07, Dónal Fitzpatrick <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Gordon, > > I'm afraid I'm a demon for using generic keyboard access rather than > screenreader commands when possible. I do this because if I'm on a machine > with no screenreader I can still get around reasonably efficiently. > > I've used the VO-left/right to navigate. However to me it just seems > cumbersome. I wholeheartedly agree with you about hiding favourites etc I > did that right off, and also I much prefer the classic view. > > Cheers, > > Dónal > On 26 Jul 2012, at 13:28, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Donal >> >> This has been the subject of much discussion. The only way I know to >> minimalist the change is to hide the Favourites bar and other things that I >> personally never use. Also, you might want to change the layout to Classic >> under the "View" preferences tab. Unfortunately though, Mail will never be >> the same again. The best way to navigate between the Mailbox table and the >> Messages table is to VO+Left/right cursor keys twice. If you're in the >> mailbox table, VO+Cursor right twice. If you're in the messages table of a >> mailbox, VO+Cursor Left twice. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 26 Jul 2012, at 11:41, Dónal Fitzpatrick <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Yet another change to the Apple UI in Mountain Lion which is annoying the >> hell out of me is the change to the behaviour of tab or shift tab in Mail. >> Previously if I were on a message list I could hit shift-tab and go to the >> mailboxes list. Now, it takes me all over the place. >> Anyone else finding this? 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