Hi Donal This changed in Mountain Lion because of changes to the functionality and the on-screen display. Yes, it is bound to get up peoples noses for a while but, I don't know whether you remember, similar changes happened when we upgraded from Tiger to Leopard, from Leopard to Snow Leopard and from Snow Leopard to Lion. yet, people very soon became accustomed to the new interface and I am sure that, given time, the same will happen again with Mountain Lion.
Gordon On 26 Jul 2012, at 14:16, Dónal Fitzpatrick <[email protected]> wrote: probably not Gordon, but why fix something that isn't broken? If we look at how a sighted user navigates from messages to mailboxes it's a mousemovement and a click on the appropriate mailbox. Under Lion, it was one keystroke (albeit involving two keys) and the initial letters of the folder you wanted. Now: 1. stop interacting with the table; 2. VO left; 3. Vo-left; 4. interact with mailboxes table; 5. type initial letters of the mailbox. By anyone's metrics, let alone those of theoretical human-computer interaction, that's broken. Dónal On 26 Jul 2012, at 14:12, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Donal > > Yes, I agree with you totally on that point. I much prefer to use OS key > stroke for much the same reasons. However, look at this particular problem > logically. Are you really going to be using Mail without a screen-reader? > > Gordon > > > On 26 Jul 2012, at 14:07, Dónal Fitzpatrick <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Gordon, > > I'm afraid I'm a demon for using generic keyboard access rather than > screenreader commands when possible. I do this because if I'm on a machine > with no screenreader I can still get around reasonably efficiently. > > I've used the VO-left/right to navigate. However to me it just seems > cumbersome. I wholeheartedly agree with you about hiding favourites etc I > did that right off, and also I much prefer the classic view. > > Cheers, > > Dónal > On 26 Jul 2012, at 13:28, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Donal >> >> This has been the subject of much discussion. The only way I know to >> minimalist the change is to hide the Favourites bar and other things that I >> personally never use. Also, you might want to change the layout to Classic >> under the "View" preferences tab. Unfortunately though, Mail will never be >> the same again. The best way to navigate between the Mailbox table and the >> Messages table is to VO+Left/right cursor keys twice. If you're in the >> mailbox table, VO+Cursor right twice. If you're in the messages table of a >> mailbox, VO+Cursor Left twice. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 26 Jul 2012, at 11:41, Dónal Fitzpatrick <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Yet another change to the Apple UI in Mountain Lion which is annoying the >> hell out of me is the change to the behaviour of tab or shift tab in Mail. >> Previously if I were on a message list I could hit shift-tab and go to the >> mailboxes list. Now, it takes me all over the place. >> Anyone else finding this? 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