on some sites i go to john no links show up in the link chooser even though 
they are there, bugs i feel that apple have had long enough to get rid of by 
now, surely!

On 29 Sep 2012, at 17:03, John Panarese <[email protected]> wrote:

>    This is exactly the truth.  I hear people claim you can't do this or that 
> in Safari and the real issue is often user ignorance and not lack of 
> features.  This is not at all meant to be insulting, but I find it amazing 
> that even in Windows, people often never learn how to fully use their screen 
> reader effectively.  Then, the perceived shortcomings are blamed on the 
> screen reader and not the individual user's lack of knowledge.  
> 
>    The point is, there are several ways to navigate web content and easily 
> find what you are looking for on a website.  Read the VO getting started 
> guide and figure out which tools are most effective in a given situation.  
> This is what I train folks to do, and once they are aware, their browsing 
> experience suddenly is a lot different.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John Panarese
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> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 29, 2012, at 7:14 AM, Orin <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> System Access does that too. Anyway, learn to use heading commands, item 
>> chooser, etc. I know most people just use VO right arrow and left to 
>> navigate, but that won't work around the whole web, guys.
>> 
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>> On Sep 29, 2012, at 6:37 AM, william lomas <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> doens't work with hardly anything i use
>>> at least with that rule you can set it to go to every start of a story on 
>>> sites you want it guaranteed to work 
>>> 
>>> On 29 Sep 2012, at 11:18, "Debbie April Yuille" <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> What does CMD SHFT R do?
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Orin
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 29 September 2012 8:13 PM
>>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>>>> Subject: Re: so wish apple had done this
>>>> 
>>>> Will, before you say that Mountain Lion sucks on the web, use CMD-SHFT-R to
>>>> read stories. It's your friend.
>>>> 
>>>> Orin
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 29, 2012, at 5:04 AM, william lomas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> hi all i know this is not a windows list i know that smile but has anyone
>>>> heard the podcast, about flexible web?
>>>>> apple usually inovate not freedom sicentific but i have to say on this
>>>> occasion using the web with windows i think is more preferable now than on
>>>> mac, even on mountain lion it is so clunky to actually get to stories on n
>>>> gadget etc
>>>>> listen here and sorry off topic but i want to know peoples views
>>>>> 
>>>> http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/fscast070-september2012
>>>> .mp3
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