when i log on to my online banking the links are on the page i can see them 
with VO keys left right but not in link chooser
i use google chrome for this as safari keeps throwing me out of my bank site 

On 29 Sep 2012, at 17:24, John Panarese <[email protected]> wrote:

>     There are a lot of things you can do to fiddle and troubleshoot such 
> issues.  Do you have examples of sites and what you are specifically looking 
> for?  The reality is that VoiceOver and Safari are not perfect, but neither 
> are web designers.  Don't discount the possiblity of the site simply being 
> badly designed.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John Panarese
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> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:17 PM, william lomas <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> on some sites i go to john no links show up in the link chooser even though 
>> they are there, bugs i feel that apple have had long enough to get rid of by 
>> now, surely!
>> 
>> On 29 Sep 2012, at 17:03, John Panarese <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>>  This is exactly the truth.  I hear people claim you can't do this or that 
>>> in Safari and the real issue is often user ignorance and not lack of 
>>> features.  This is not at all meant to be insulting, but I find it amazing 
>>> that even in Windows, people often never learn how to fully use their 
>>> screen reader effectively.  Then, the perceived shortcomings are blamed on 
>>> the screen reader and not the individual user's lack of knowledge.  
>>> 
>>>  The point is, there are several ways to navigate web content and easily 
>>> find what you are looking for on a website.  Read the VO getting started 
>>> guide and figure out which tools are most effective in a given situation.  
>>> This is what I train folks to do, and once they are aware, their browsing 
>>> experience suddenly is a lot different.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John Panarese
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2012, at 7:14 AM, Orin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> System Access does that too. Anyway, learn to use heading commands, item 
>>>> chooser, etc. I know most people just use VO right arrow and left to 
>>>> navigate, but that won't work around the whole web, guys.
>>>> 
>>>> Orin
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 29, 2012, at 6:37 AM, william lomas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> doens't work with hardly anything i use
>>>>> at least with that rule you can set it to go to every start of a story on 
>>>>> sites you want it guaranteed to work 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 29 Sep 2012, at 11:18, "Debbie April Yuille" 
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> What does CMD SHFT R do?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Orin
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 29 September 2012 8:13 PM
>>>>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>>>>>> Subject: Re: so wish apple had done this
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Will, before you say that Mountain Lion sucks on the web, use CMD-SHFT-R 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> read stories. It's your friend.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Orin
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>>>>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks
>>>>>> Skype: orin1112
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 29, 2012, at 5:04 AM, william lomas <[email protected]> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> hi all i know this is not a windows list i know that smile but has 
>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>> heard the podcast, about flexible web?
>>>>>>> apple usually inovate not freedom sicentific but i have to say on this
>>>>>> occasion using the web with windows i think is more preferable now than 
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> mac, even on mountain lion it is so clunky to actually get to stories on 
>>>>>> n
>>>>>> gadget etc
>>>>>>> listen here and sorry off topic but i want to know peoples views
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/fscast070-september2012
>>>>>> .mp3
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