I have trouble with the iPhone because I am using the on-screen keyboard, and I don't know if delete takes out the letter to the left, or to the right. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Griffith" <[email protected]> To: "'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:59 AM Subject: RE: The insertion point when working with text
If you consider the cursor as a line rather than a block it may help. If you imagine the cursor as a vertical line which jumps over a character you may get it. So consider my name David. At the beginning the cursor is before the first capital D. If I press the right arrow the cursor jumps over D and is between D and A. Voiceover announces D because it has jumped over D. If I press the left arrow the cursor jumps back over D and Voiceover announces D again. So pressing the right and left arrow will result in repeated reading of the same character. This is the bit that confuses people used to the Windows way of doing things but it is actually more logical if you think about it. So basically when you press the right arrow the cursor will speak the character of each character it reads and the cursor line will be after that character. Similarly if I press the left arrow Voiceover will announce the character the cursor jumps over and the cursor will end up before the last character it has announced. So if I want to delete the V in David I press the right arrow until I hear V. I know that the cursor is after V so pressing back delete will delete it. It is easiest to start with to just cursor rightwards until you are after the character you have heard and just press back delete. David Griffith the -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: 19 July 2013 15:28 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: The insertion point when working with text I've been trying for years now, and on my phone, I haven't gotten used to the deletion stuff. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Griffith" <[email protected]> To: "'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:14 AM Subject: RE: The insertion point when working with text I agree that you should try and get used to the Mac way of doing things. I to found it confusing to begin with but you do get the hang of it eventually. Once you understand that all that happens is that Voiceover speaks the character the cursor passes over, irrespective of the direction it is going in this is fine. The problem is that if you try to make the Mac behave like windows and Jaws is that you get complications when trying to use other keystrokes. In particular the commands to the end of a line behaved unpredictably and you were not always where you thought you were. This does not happen with voiceover and Mac default settings. David Griffith -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson Sent: 19 July 2013 14:51 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: The insertion point when working with text Hello Andy, You can change the way the insertion point works to be more like JAWS in VoiceOver Utility, Verbosity, Text, When moving the cursor: click the button and select Speak text to the right of the cursor. Personally, I like the standard Mac way of doing things which is that the insertion point is to the right of what you just heard when navigating to the right, and to the left of what you just heard when navigating to the left. This seems logical to me. Cheers, Anne On 19 Jul 2013, at 14:57, Andy Collins <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all - > > At the moment, the way things are set up is confusing me when I am > trying to edit text in mail or Text Editor. When I try to delete a > character, or correct a spelling manually, I'm fiddling about trying > to get the focus on the right character to delete. All too often, I > find the wrong character has been deleted, because the insertion point > [if that's the correct term for it] is focussed somewhere else in the > word than where I expect it to be. 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