You could look at the voiceover manual on browsing the web to see if that helps
http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/_1134.htmlo I have not personally used Group mode but I assume it works by grouping similar elements of a web page together rather than encountering them in the normal linear method of reading a web page that most will be familiar with. So presumably tables and list will be grouped together for example I guess. Someone will correct me if I am wrong. David Griffith -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andy Collins Sent: 23 July 2013 16:03 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Reading to the end of a document Well now, to choose dom or groups, is as yet, untrodden terirtory to me. Not sure when I'd choose one over the other, as I don't know what each has to offer - Andy On 23 Jul 2013, at 15:31, Anne Robertson <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Andy, > > Josh is correct that some commands have no shortcut assigned to them but they can be assigned to any of the commanders. For instance, I always set a Keyboard commander shortcut to toggle between DOM and Groups mode for Web browsing. In general, I prefer Groups mode, but for some tasks, DOM is more effective. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 23 Jul 2013, at 16:25, ANDY COLLINS <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Ah yes - I guess it they show up in the table, then I could do that >> if I particularly felt I needed to do that. Thanks - >> >> Andy >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Gregory" >> <[email protected]> >> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 3:21 PM >> Subject: Re: Reading to the end of a document >> >> >>> Hi Andy, by default, the tasks that don't have key combinations just don't have them, but I think you can create keyboard short cuts in the keyboard commander thing in the VoiceOver utility. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jul 23, 2013, at 10:12 AM, "ANDY COLLINS" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Anne - Thanks, that's it, I was forgetting to interact, just >>>> letting it read through, and under those circumstances, VO A does >>>> the equivalent of VO B, when interacting, that is, it read from the >>>> top to bottom of the Document. While I'm here, wonder if you can >>>> tell me what is going on when I have a look at the help menu [VO >>>> hh] if for example, I expand the text table of tasks, I am given a >>>> key combination to achieve a task, such as VO C to read the current >>>> character, but just on a couple of occasions, there is a task, but >>>> no key combination, for example, near the end of the list of tasks >>>> in the text table, there is the command to select text, and then >>>> below that, it says "unselect text," but doesn't have a key >>>> combination to do it. I have seen this elsewhere in VO help, where >>>> a task is listed, but no key combination to activate it. I can't >>>> believe it's because there isn't one, otherwise why include the >>>> task in the table in the first place? - >>>> >>>> Andy >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Robertson" >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:38 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Reading to the end of a document >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hello Andy, >>>>> >>>>> As long as you're interacting with the text, VO-a will read from where you left off and VO-b will read from the beginning. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Anne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 23 Jul 2013, at 15:24, Andy Collins <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all - >>>>>> >>>>>> I know that VO a will read an entire document, but if I'm part >>>>>> way through reading and get interrupted, how do I read from where >>>>>> I was to the end? 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