As I said Sarah, if I do this, I'm going to be so engaged in just learning
the things from my corses, that I'm going to be putting every ounce of
energy into that. I probably won't have much tiome to do anything else.
People may wind up saying I don't have a life, but lookat. This is very
important to me, and I really really want to do this, and succeed. I'll
feel so proud of myself if I actually can do this and get through it. I
really thus won't have time to learn some coding language, so though this
may be a good long term goal for me to set, it's really not something I want
to tackle at this time. For now, I just need to get my feet solidly on the
ground.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <[email protected]>
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: A really no nonsense look, was: Pages
You might want to learn latex. I am learning it now, or will once I get
the app installed properly. This is a robust way of writing papers. It
looks a lot like html code but can do everything that nay word processor
can do and more. It will take a while to learn as the learning curve from
what i can see from the manuals is high, and so is installing it, roar,
but it will be worth it to me anyways as I can do everything in a wyswyg
kind of way if that makes sense.
On Aug 5, 2013, at 4:20 AM, Chris Gilland <[email protected]>
wrote:
OK, I know that the subject has come up many times about Pages, and I
confess that I really haven't been following this Pages thread... mainly
because until now, I really haven't had much a need to. I have been
thinking, and have talked with my family about this as well, and you
know... I didn't do so well in high school, I'm not gonna lie to you all.
I wouldn't say I failed every class, and it's not like I didn't
graduation with a deploma, as I most certainly did, class of 2001, but my
GPA wasn't the greatest by any means. OK, so you wonder how on earth
this is related to Pages for the Mac. It's extremely so! Here's the
story. I very seriously want to talk to my state and see if they will
help me to pay for me to take some highschool corses at a local community
college about 15 or 20 miles from here. Though I didn't do this for the
reason of going back to school, nor expanding my study, I could see where
this could be a great way to justify my recent purchase. Not
to be reimbursed but just as to have a good reason. I just last Friday
bought me a brand spankin new 13 inch aluminum MacBook Pro! I confess it
doesn't have all the trimmings. It's just the basic non retina display I5
based model, but still a great! system. Anyway, so the things is, I'm sure
that a lot of what I'd be doing through these corses would involve
writing. Especially being one of the corses I want to take is to get
better with my writing skills, and with my grammar. I also want to learn
more how to correctly do essays, and reports, and hopefully eventually,
term papers. Now, I totally understand that this list, one of the rules
is that Windows discussion is off limits. OK, that's fair, I'll give both
Lynn and gordon that one, but I'm going to have to at least vaguely
mention it in order to ask my question, so forgive me.
I have bought a copy of Pages from the Mac app store. I've also bought
it for I O S, so I can use it on both my IPad Mini, as well as on my
IPhone 5. Ultimately, as a potential student, I need to know if Pages
probably will suit my needs from an accessibility standpoint. OK, I know
that question is very subjective. It depends on my definition of quote:
needs. Yeah, ok, fine, again, that's cool, I'll give you that one as
well. No problem. But more generally speaking, the thing is, I can't
afford Ann Robinson's tutorial/training on Pages right now. I'm sorry,
but there is just no way. Though I feel the price is reasonable from what
I've heard, it's just not money right now I can spend. Thus, I have two
choices. I either can see if the state, provided I do! wind up going
back to school will buy me a copy of Microsoft Office for Windows, which
then would mean them also having to buy me VMWare Fusion or help me
install Bootcamp, which would mean them buying me Windows
7 or 8. I have JAWS, and NVDA so that's not an issue, but let's stay on
the mac side of things as this isn't the list for Windows. Bottom line
is: they'd either have to buy that, or, they'd have to find a way to buy
me Ann's training material and maybe pay for me to have some one on one
lessons with her. I have looked at Pages a little bit, and it looks
really really nice. I'm just a bit weery if it will suffice. For
example, I know that editting and creating tables is pretty much mearly
impossible with Voiceover. I know there is a work around, but I'm not at
a position where I have the time to learn work arounds just to jerry rig
something to work. I need something which is robust but is rock solid for
the most part. So, not being able to read/edit/create tables natively
within pages for me is a major strike. Again, I know that there are ways
around it, but I'm dead serious. I really need to see something which
natively will work without me having to use another
app like Text Edit or Safari etc. to make it work. To me, that seems...
well, frankly?... Absurd. I'm not trying to be Mr. Picky-Ticky-pants, but
realistically. Yeah... you get the point. Second off, what about things
like setting my line spacing, or setting my margins accordingly. Or maybe
working with proper formal indintations. What if I need to make an
outline? Finally, I know headers and footers can be done to some extent,
but what about head notes or foot notes. What if I need to make a
bibliography, and site sources? I know that I'd learn how to do that by
hand, but can I do like you can in Word, and use a wizard that will format
that for you automatically? What if I need to highlight something to
bring more attention to a sighted reader, or some how fill it in with
shading? One if to spiffy up a document, I want to add a thumbnail image
of clip art from an already available galary which I could browse? These
are all things I need to know if I can easily d
o. Most of these are going to be strikes. Though not all of them are
absolute deal breakers, I'd say over 95% of them are. I might try to set
up a mac genious appointment to see if I can maybe sit down with one of
them, and discuss my needs, and really just lay out for thwem my case, and
see what they say. I also plan this morning to speak both with Apple
Accessibility and see what they say. I'm really dead serious about this,
and whatever it takes for me to get some solid answers, I'm willing to do,
as long as it's within my resources, budget, and within reason. I almost
wonder if there are any Taking Control books which have been made on
Pages. Like I say, I'll do whatever it takes to get to the bottom of
this, as Pages is definitely something I want to start really diving into
learning more agressively.
Chris.
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