Hey man, no worries. :-D Ok. I do know basically how Linux works, from other people. I've never used it myself. I've also never had the opportunity to take any formal programing classes, or had access to any computer programer training. I've mostly self taught, so I'm not as familiar with the correct programing terminology. I totally get what you mean by the term packaging now. :-) But like I said, I'm not as familiar with the technical correct programing jargon, I just know what I've taught myself. If you could ever help me find a good learning resource for this kind of thing, I'd love it! I love doing stuff like this, and would relish the chance to have good learning resources. lol Most of my learning has just been trial and error. Thank God I'm a quick learner is all I can say. :-) I figure, I might figure this all out sooner or later, but you're darn right, I have a long, long, ways to go. :-)
So, I suppose, if I want to learn more in depth about Linux, and working with programs on my mavericks system that were originally meant for Linux, other than the mac port website that you sent the link to, where are some really good resources that I can start with. Like I said, I'd love any good resources that could help me better learn this. :-D Thanks for helping me out, I appreciate it lots! I'm just starting out with all this, compared to the rest of you who are great with this stuff in my opinion, specially you Chris /grins/ Hopefully I'll be as good as you guys are with this stuff someday. Chris, feel free to email me off list if you want. :-) Laurel On Dec 10, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Christopher gilland <[email protected]> wrote: > Laurel, if it's a TTS, don't even attempt. the libraries are of such on OSX, > that this isn't gonna work, and even if it did, you'd not be able to get it > working with voiceover. It has to do with how Apple has designed the over > all Voiceover accessibility hooks and framework. > > I understand you don't have a physical package. Linux often times calls > applications packages. Would I be correct in assuming that you either have > never heard of Linux, or have hardly any knowledge in that field? I don't > mean this to sound rude, and if it comes across as such, please know that is > not my intention. furthermore, this isn't to blow you off, as I still do > want to help you, and I promise that I will continue on or off list to help > you, but, it sounds to me like what needs to happen here is you need to read > up a lot more on linux and how it works before trying to tackle a task like > this. Linux is a very powerful OS, and if you don't know what you're doing, > it can be a bit tricky to understand. I just hate seeing you struggle with > this, and wonder if you're getting slightly in over your head with it. the > fact you didn't know what I meant when I used the term package indicates to > me that you may not have the most in depth knowledge with Linux systems. > that's ok. there isn't a single thing wrong with that, nor is this in any form or shape a public way of me belittling you. Trust me, that is definitely not my entention, and I earnestly hope that it is not taken that way. If it is, please please please please please! accept my most profuse apology in advance. I just feel based on the emails that you have sent so far regarding this topic that it's gonna be way harder than you think to get this working, and probably will even be impossible, but on that note, I'll let others maybe with more knowledge than I comment. > > Again, this is not in any respect meant to down your level of knowledge, I > just think you're personally gonna get very very frustrated more quickly with > this than you will have success. I could be wrong though. > > Chris. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurel and Stockard" > <[email protected]> > To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: can programs designed for lenox also be used on OS 10 Maverick > > >> I actually don't have a physical package for this, it's an open source text >> to speech engine that I downloaded for free. The files are mostly in the >> unix executable file type. It's possible that I could open these with >> terminal, would you recommend I try that? >> I figure if I screw up, I can just take this off my computer and start over >> again. :-) >> Laurel >> On Dec 10, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Christopher gilland <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Your best bet is to look at the packages documentation. >>> >>> If you've gotten it installed, out of pure chance, you can look at the man >>> page, and that should tell you. the other thing you can also do is figure >>> out what dependencies it needs which again should be in the pkg's docks. >>> Otherwise, if you got it installed and are just wonderring, you can try >>> typing "which PackageName." Actually though, that may only tell you where >>> the actual binaries are. I don't think that specifically tells you it's >>> deps. I think there is a way with apt to get the list of dependencies >>> provided it's in one of your apt repositories, but I don't remember the >>> argument to pass through apt to do that. You might be able to pipe a >>> command through grep and figure it out. Not knowing the package, nor >>> having the documentation in front of me, it's kind of hard to really guide >>> you specifically. >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurel and Stockard" >>> <[email protected]> >>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:23 PM >>> Subject: Re: can programs designed for lenox also be used on OS 10 Maverick >>> >>> >>>> Chris, stupid question but I can't figure this out. How can I find out >>>> what location the program's libraries are in? I'm sure the answer is >>>> really obvious, and that I'm probably over thinking this, but yeah. lol >>>> Laurel >>>> On Dec 10, 2013, at 7:09 PM, Christopher gilland >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Laurel, >>>>> >>>>> first off, let's not confuse people. The O S is Linux, not Linox. It's l >>>>> i n u x, not l i n o x. >>>>> >>>>> Secondly, it's definitely something that you could try. It depends on >>>>> what libraries it needs to work, and if all of them are in the correct >>>>> location, (usually /usr/bin.) some will be in /var or in /etc, although >>>>> most in /usr/bin. As long as they're there, there is a chance. Notice, I >>>>> did say, a, chance. It's honestly kind of hard to say. Here's something >>>>> though you could try if nothing else. go to: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.macports.com >>>>> >>>>> What this site basically is, is a repository of aps which have >>>>> deliveretly been ported over to work in Terminal on the Mac. These apps >>>>> normally were designed to run on Linux. >>>>> >>>>> the other thing too about this is, if you don't find a macports for it, >>>>> and have to install it yourself, depending on the package, you might have >>>>> to build and compile it from source, which, if you don't have make >>>>> installed, (type "which make" at the prompt to find out,) then it may not >>>>> work. I suppose you could try sudo apt-get install make, but don't count >>>>> on it. Keep in mind that trying to do sudo apt-get install >>>>> YourPackageName probably isn't gonna work. this is because >>>>> /etc/apt/sources.list is probably totally different from the repos you'd >>>>> find in a Linux distro like Ubuntu/Debian, or Fedora, etc. So yeah... >>>>> >>>>> In summation, it's possible, but don't hold your breath to it. >>>>> >>>>> Chris. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurel and Stockard" >>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:05 PM >>>>> Subject: can programs designed for lenox also be used on OS 10 Maverick >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> So, I'm looking at an open source program that would help me with >>>>>> learning another language. Here's the thing, it says the program is for >>>>>> windows or lennox though, but, I've been told that Lenox is pretty >>>>>> similar to actual OS 10 Mavericks. 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