Laurel, I'll try to send you some more resources off list in the morning, as
this is not really the list for discussing Linux matters, and I could see
the potential of this thread going that way and veering way from the topic
of OSX that this list is intended for.
Keep in mind, I do offer training on I O S, OSX, Windows, Linux, Android,
and audio production in a whole, as well as offer voice and piano lessons
over the phone or Skype for $15 an hour. I'll write you more information
about that as well off list, just in case you're interested, as again, this
isn't the place to be
soliciting business marketing.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurel and Stockard" <[email protected]>
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: can programs designed for lenox also be used on OS 10 Maverick
Hey man, no worries. :-D
Ok. I do know basically how Linux works, from other people. I've never
used it myself. I've also never had the opportunity to take any formal
programing classes, or had access to any computer programer training. I've
mostly self taught, so I'm not as familiar with the correct programing
terminology. I totally get what you mean by the term packaging now. :-)
But like I said, I'm not as familiar with the technical correct programing
jargon, I just know what I've taught myself. If you could ever help me
find a good learning resource for this kind of thing, I'd love it! I love
doing stuff like this, and would relish the chance to have good learning
resources. lol Most of my learning has just been trial and error. Thank
God I'm a quick learner is all I can say. :-)
I figure, I might figure this all out sooner or later, but you're darn
right, I have a long, long, ways to go. :-)
So, I suppose, if I want to learn more in depth about Linux, and working
with programs on my mavericks system that were originally meant for Linux,
other than the mac port website that you sent the link to, where are some
really good resources that I can start with. Like I said, I'd love any
good resources that could help me better learn this. :-D
Thanks for helping me out, I appreciate it lots! I'm just starting out
with all this, compared to the rest of you who are great with this stuff
in my opinion, specially you Chris /grins/ Hopefully I'll be as good as
you guys are with this stuff someday.
Chris, feel free to email me off list if you want. :-)
Laurel
On Dec 10, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Christopher gilland
<[email protected]> wrote:
Laurel, if it's a TTS, don't even attempt. the libraries are of such on
OSX, that this isn't gonna work, and even if it did, you'd not be able to
get it working with voiceover. It has to do with how Apple has designed
the over all Voiceover accessibility hooks and framework.
I understand you don't have a physical package. Linux often times calls
applications packages. Would I be correct in assuming that you either
have never heard of Linux, or have hardly any knowledge in that field? I
don't mean this to sound rude, and if it comes across as such, please
know that is not my intention. furthermore, this isn't to blow you off,
as I still do want to help you, and I promise that I will continue on or
off list to help you, but, it sounds to me like what needs to happen here
is you need to read up a lot more on linux and how it works before trying
to tackle a task like this. Linux is a very powerful OS, and if you
don't know what you're doing, it can be a bit tricky to understand. I
just hate seeing you struggle with this, and wonder if you're getting
slightly in over your head with it. the fact you didn't know what I
meant when I used the term package indicates to me that you may not have
the most in depth knowledge with Linux systems. that's
ok. there isn't a single thing wrong with that, nor is this in any form
or shape a public way of me belittling you. Trust me, that is definitely
not my entention, and I earnestly hope that it is not taken that way. If
it is, please please please please please! accept my most profuse apology
in advance. I just feel based on the emails that you have sent so far
regarding this topic that it's gonna be way harder than you think to get
this working, and probably will even be impossible, but on that note, I'll
let others maybe with more knowledge than I comment.
Again, this is not in any respect meant to down your level of knowledge,
I just think you're personally gonna get very very frustrated more
quickly with this than you will have success. I could be wrong though.
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurel and Stockard"
<[email protected]>
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: can programs designed for lenox also be used on OS 10
Maverick
I actually don't have a physical package for this, it's an open source
text to speech engine that I downloaded for free. The files are mostly
in the unix executable file type. It's possible that I could open these
with terminal, would you recommend I try that?
I figure if I screw up, I can just take this off my computer and start
over again. :-)
Laurel
On Dec 10, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Christopher gilland
<[email protected]> wrote:
Your best bet is to look at the packages documentation.
If you've gotten it installed, out of pure chance, you can look at the
man page, and that should tell you. the other thing you can also do is
figure out what dependencies it needs which again should be in the
pkg's docks. Otherwise, if you got it installed and are just
wonderring, you can try typing "which PackageName." Actually though,
that may only tell you where the actual binaries are. I don't think
that specifically tells you it's deps. I think there is a way with apt
to get the list of dependencies provided it's in one of your apt
repositories, but I don't remember the argument to pass through apt to
do that. You might be able to pipe a command through grep and figure
it out. Not knowing the package, nor having the documentation in front
of me, it's kind of hard to really guide you specifically.
Chris.
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurel and Stockard"
<[email protected]>
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: can programs designed for lenox also be used on OS 10
Maverick
Chris, stupid question but I can't figure this out. How can I find out
what location the program's libraries are in? I'm sure the answer is
really obvious, and that I'm probably over thinking this, but yeah.
lol
Laurel
On Dec 10, 2013, at 7:09 PM, Christopher gilland
<[email protected]> wrote:
Laurel,
first off, let's not confuse people. The O S is Linux, not Linox.
It's l i n u x, not l i n o x.
Secondly, it's definitely something that you could try. It depends
on what libraries it needs to work, and if all of them are in the
correct location, (usually /usr/bin.) some will be in /var or in
/etc, although most in /usr/bin. As long as they're there, there is
a chance. Notice, I did say, a, chance. It's honestly kind of hard
to say. Here's something though you could try if nothing else. go
to:
http://www.macports.com
What this site basically is, is a repository of aps which have
deliveretly been ported over to work in Terminal on the Mac. These
apps normally were designed to run on Linux.
the other thing too about this is, if you don't find a macports for
it, and have to install it yourself, depending on the package, you
might have to build and compile it from source, which, if you don't
have make installed, (type "which make" at the prompt to find out,)
then it may not work. I suppose you could try sudo apt-get install
make, but don't count on it. Keep in mind that trying to do sudo
apt-get install YourPackageName probably isn't gonna work. this is
because /etc/apt/sources.list is probably totally different from the
repos you'd find in a Linux distro like Ubuntu/Debian, or Fedora,
etc. So yeah...
In summation, it's possible, but don't hold your breath to it.
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurel and Stockard"
<[email protected]>
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:05 PM
Subject: can programs designed for lenox also be used on OS 10
Maverick
So, I'm looking at an open source program that would help me with
learning another language. Here's the thing, it says the program is
for windows or lennox though, but, I've been told that Lenox is
pretty similar to actual OS 10 Mavericks. So, as my subject line
says, could an open source program written and designed to work on
lenox also work on OS 10 Mavericks? Would it hurt to download it and
try? Or would it be totally nonworkable.
Laurel
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