Alberto,
I said flat out in my initial posting that this is only a Voiceover bug. I
did try it without Voiceover, and the problem isn't there. It has to do
with how Voiceover is renderring those pages.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: "alberto" <[email protected]>
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: Further findings with IPad folder problem
Well I would suggest testing this out with out voice over, and if the issue
continues even with voice over disabled it has to be classified as an OS
bug, and if it only occurs when voice over is on then we can certainly say
it is an accessibility bug. I am sorry to say, but I for as long as I’ve
been using voice over which has been since 2010 test out both ways first
that way I can make a determination of if it is an OS bug or accessibility
bug or even both.
On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:17 PM, Christopher gilland <[email protected]>
wrote:
I'm going to try explaining this the best that I can. If an audio demo is
necessary for better understanding, just let me know, and I'll make one.
I should add that I did test on the IPhone and do not have this issue. I
also should add that I have restored my IPad which had no baring.
It seems that in this version on the IPad of I O S, each folder is
arranged in a 3 by 3 grid. This mweans there are 3 icons going
virtically, by 3 going horizontally. So, in my Utilities folder, there
are 23 apps all total. This means about 5 pages to that one folder.
On the first page, the first 3 icons on the first row, going horizontally
are contacts, Clock, then notes. Stick with me here. I know this is
really confusing. I can't imagine if you can't physically see what I'm
talking about, let alone, if you can.
So, the second row of that first page starts with Camera. No need for me
to continue. I can now present you this concept.
The first icon of the first row on the second page is News Stand. So,
back on page 1, again, the top row, just to recap, is: contacts, Clock,
then Notes. What is happening is, once on Notes, if I then flick again to
the right one time, it, should! key word, should! wrap to the first icon
on row two of that first page, which is Camera, right?
Wrong! What it's actually! doing is, it's moving the Voiceover focus to
the first icon on the next page's same row. So, in other words, the first
icon of the second page, on the first row, is News Stand. Therefore, If
I'm on the first row flicking right icon by icon on the first page, I hear
Contacts, Clock, Notes, then one more flick, I hear News Stand. Then! if
I flick again, I hear the little directional click telling me I jumped
down to the next row, and I then hear Camera, which is correct. That
indeed is! the first icon on the first page, second row. I don't remember
the next two icons of the second row first page, and my IPad's not in
front of me to look, but I do know, that the first icon of the second row
on the second page of that folder is Safari, in my case. So I get to
Camera on row 2, page 1. I flick right, another app. I flick right, the
final app of that row. I flick right again... Boom, you guessed it!
Safari! It's almost like it thinks it should be a 3 by 4 grid, not a 3 by
3. It's like it thinks there should be 4 icons horizontally per page, as
aposed to what it really! is, which is 3 by 3. If I double tap on one of
the icons not on the page, like when it goes into la la land, say on page
one, if I double tap on Safari, the folder crashes/closes, and returns me
to the home screen. Before anyone asks, no, this definitely is not a
developer seed. I'd not be discussing it, if it was. I'm no fool. LOL!
This is 7.0.6. I'm speaking the update that just came out the other day.
It's also kind a weird, as after the 3rd icon on whatever row, if I flick
right again, the little box that indicates the Voiceover cursor kind of
moves off the window with the page's icons kind of offset a bit to the
left of the first most icon of the next row. In all actuality, nothing is
visually there. It's just black blank screen area real estate. Again, I
reidderate that this is not happenning on the latest update with my IPhone
5S. I'm only seeing it on my IPad 4th Gen 16GB White AT&T.
I must say that this is extremely bizarre! You'd think restoring would
fix things, but it didn't, and no. I did not restore from a backlup when
I did. I set it up as a brand new device, then redownloaded the apps, and
rearranged them manually. Yeah, pain in the kneck, I know, but I was at
my wits end. I can't faddum this at all!
I did let Apple know about this by calling their Accessibility line. the
guy is going to call me back on Saturday when he gets in the office. He's
also going to meanwhile try getting a test IPad to see if he can reproduce
the issue. He said if nothing else, he'd try on his IPad 2, tonight when
he got home. He said the IPad was in his car, and they won't allow him to
leave the building while he's on shift. He also said either way, he'd
submit this up to engineering. He's just about as perplexed as I am, if
not more so!
Chris.
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