These people wanting to leave the list might feel differently if they knew what 
I went through the eyes-free list with with GoogleGroups.
For those who don't know, the eyes-free list is for Android users.
It gets at least 200 messages a day, and it is unmoderated.
My ISP had just switched to using the gMail server when I subscribed, so my 
eMail went in as my user name at
Then I tried to unsubscribe and the unsubscribe commands did not recognize me 
because my eMails going to the list showed up as from my ISP,
When I complained to the list, someone there was able to set me up so I could 
not post to the list, but I was still getting the messages.
For a couple years, I just filtered them to my trash.
Then my ISP came back with providing their own eMail server, and I was put into 
IMAP, and my filters no longer worked.
Their web interface was AJAX, rather than standard HTML, by default, which made 
it unusable by a Blind user.
So after all that, I feel like the folks complaining here have little to 
complain about.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Christopher-Mark Gilland 
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: enough!

I definitely agree 150% that the language is uncalled for!  That said however, 
I feel his frustration.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Eileen 
  Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 10:14 AM
  Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: enough!

  Okay!!! Now, does foul language have to come into play? There's no room for 
that. I'm just going through all the numerous email traffic in my email account 
and Ann Roberts gave a corrected email address that will take you off list. And 
another thing, you try running a list serve when working full-time. I don't see 
you volunteering. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones that only to receive these 
list postings once. Maybe it's you that didn't follow the monitors instructions 
from the get go when he needed to migrate to a new server and start from 
stratch. It's folks like you that puts a bad taste in someone elses mouth that 
values this list serve.

  Good day and good riddens to you.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On May 24, 2015, at 11:31 PM, sadam ahmed <> wrote:

    Well said. 

    Even when the list was active I personally did not find it very helpful at 

    But this is getting fucking ridiculous. 

    I have tried everything and I can't seem to unsubscribe. 

    Receiving. Multiple. Emails. Is no fun at all! 

    Frankly you should be ashamed of yourself Mr Gordon. 

    Blatantly spamming people's email addresses with this nonsense.  

    Not respecting or listening to people's requests to be removed from this 
stupid list.  

    Messages bouncing when I ask to be removed. 

    A horrendous web interface. 

    To be honest there are far better alternatives available to Mac-access. 

    For the last time please remove me from this sorry excuse for a list. 

    Sadam Ahmed 

    Sent from my iPhone 


    On 25 May 2015, at 3:22 pm, Jay Rufo <> wrote:

       just because you decided to start this list again is no excuse to take 
      the email addresses you had and suddenly start to send email's/start the
      list again. Sending people an email stating the list was available would
      have been sufficient. Should this have happened then folks that were 
      could have signed up again. Secondarily, you obviously have no idea how to
      conduct a list hence the multiple repeated emails. Shouldn't you have 
      this? Are you insane? Good god.

       I enjoy the fact you want to have a list and share knowledge. We all need
      that. I don't clap my hands in terms of how you went about it. You strike 
      as someone who just got his Nintendo back!

       That said, I wish you well with this list but please take me off it
      promptly. Since this list has been on hiatus, I've figured out the apple
      operating system to my satisfaction.



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