Well that's it, when the argument deteriorates into calling people "academic jackoffs", "arrogant", and ends up as just the ravings of a someone that seems to want to be right at all costs, and I think its time to move on.
I hope Mac Duff, whoever he is, apologises for this diatribe, but I for one will not be subscribed to this list in order to read it. In the few months I have been a subscriber I have learned a few things, and I thank the other list members for their worthy contributions. Alistair on 27/5/03 10:04 pm, Mac Duff wrote: > > Oh GOD! I want to puke! Such philosophical gems, pooped out from under the > belly of thieves! Thieves who can't even admit that, "Hey; we're stealing. > DUH!" I have already dealt with an academic jackoff this week who spewed > those same lines, and it is a WEAK argument. > > Tell you what. I had a hamburger distributed throughout my digestive system > last night, and I would now like to share that hamburger with you. > Interested? > > I didn't think so. > > You see, IN REALITY, art is not a hamburger. It is not just the action of > the expression, caught in time. It is THE REACTION OF THE CONSUMER OF THAT > ART where the true value lies! The value of art is in how it affects YOU. > Not the guy who originally bought the art that you subsequently leached off > him/her; but YOU. > > Here, I will take away your "special song", and give you MY special song. I > LOVE my special song, so you surely will, also! Will that work? NO WAY! You > and your significant others' "special song" is NOT the same as me and my > significant others'. > > WHY?!! > > Because art touches us all in different ways, EVERY TIME WE > HEAR/SEE/READ/BOOT IT. And every time it does, IT IS NEW AND FRESH. Even if > its the hundredth time you've heard it. A song is like an old shoe for OUR > SOUL, and songs relate to events unique to our respective lives. Songs fit > our mood, and WE have the LUXURY of choosing them at our whim in order to > relax us, invigorate us, make us cry, make us horny, WHATEVER. That is why I > asked everybody who feels they don't have to pay for music to simply and > without emotional hesitation DELETE them. If you feel no reason to pay, then > they must be worthless TO YOU. Ah, but they are NOT, are they? Art means a > LOT to everybody, EVEN when they don't realize it! > > I was watching Bill Maher way back (used to LOVE that show when he had an > interesting and smart panel). He was going on and on about how schools > should kill funding for all art, including music, etc. "If people want to > learn art, they should go out in the world and learn it!", or something like > that was his stand. It shouldn't be institutionalized, I guess was his > point. As I am watching him pontificate, irony strikes me: > > Art is in ALL we do. Even the design of a bloody McDonalds. Even the choice > Bill made in the particular combination of his suit and tie that night. His > approval of the set design for his show. Even the chair he is sitting on. It > is ALL a subjective discrimination between elements, come upon by the > reaction of the individual's emotional gut. > > How UNSCIENTIFIC. > > How EMOTIONAL. > > Those are not "IfukkingDEAS", Eric. They are MUCH more to you, me and > everyone else than just an abstract thought. > > A song is NEW and FRESH and IMPRESSES upon the should of EVERY new listener > that receives it. It is not "done once" and that is it. I suppose you would > want your money back from a concert where you heard some of the songs before > on the artist's recordings? Or, maybe you feel that, because we have ALL > seen pictures of The Mona Lisa, and "get the idea" of what The Mona Lisa is, > that we should destroy the original? It is taking up space! Just leave it on > the curb on garbage day and view the digital copy sitting on your hard > drive. Well, long before the sanitation truck rolls by, that PIECE OF ART > will be picked up by some lucky bugger, because "it" is special. > > All this ivory tower bullshit about "free ideas" is f**king CRAP! I HATE IT > when stupid doorknobs play the "Free Ideas" card! NOTHING is free in this > world -- and for GOOD reason. The reason is because things have a VALUE to > US. What is gold? A HUNK OF STUPID, MOSTLY USELESS ROCK! Gold has fairly > limited practical value. You cannot use it to save or feed lives. You cannot > use it to protect yourself against a HARDER falling rock. Its value lies > ONLY in the perception we have of it. > > Same thing with every piece of art you like -- or LOVE! How can we LOVE > sonic vibrations? How can it cause us to weep when heard in specific > combinations?? > > You say that the corporate music machine only produces crappy ideas, and > therefore do not deserve compensation (including the musicians -- and the > composers). Are you saying to me that Miles Davis is worth no more than > Brittany Spears?? By people's actions in P2P swapping, it would appear to be > the case. This is because people are not just swapping (subjective) > "garbage"; they're swapping WHAT THEY ACTUALLY THINK IS GOLD! Are swappers > going, "I'm gonna swap me a gig of Backstreet Boys, JUST to piss the labels > off! THIS is my Lofty Mission!" Why, OF COURSE NOT! They take what they > DESIRE for THEMSELVES. And rest assured, Miles Davis, Mozart ( I don't care > how dead they are; that is NOT the point), Bob Dylan, The Beatles, even > f**king Scott Joplin are ALL being swapped away out there. QUALITY STUFF, > touching each individual in unique ways, on account of THE INDIVIDUAL's > state of mind and heart. And no one is paying these performers and ARTISTS > OF MERIT. > > Isn't THAT worth something to each of those individual listeners? > > Where is THE RESPECT and appreciation for how those listeners have enhanced > their lives by including the special "entity' that is a song particular to > their hearts? > > I am not going to respond to this thread after this, because I have said it > all. I have been here before MANY TIMES with people who think they have a > moral right to steal music, yet all I see is convenient logic justifying > their actions. > > FLAME ON, you arrogant man, you. > > > [/RANT] > -- Mac Canada is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... 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