Hey, Michael, Thank you for the kind response and the extensive effort of reply that it represents - there is a wealth of info in your post, and I shall use it wisely to figure out this project - it is my first time with such animals (the DOS cards). You just may be correct in the G3 issue; fortunately, I have an 8500 or 2 hanging around that I can swap it to if need be, and even then, one has a G3 upgrade in it, so your idea was encouraging. I'll certainly let you know how it goes when I get the task accomplished. Thank you again for your kindness. Best regards, Dana
On 1/24/04 10:32 PM, Michael Dawe of [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent > On 24 Jan 2004 at 11:50, Dana Collins wrote: > >> Greetings all, >> New member. I have been following this thread with some interest. >> I recently acquired a complete kit of the Apple 12" 166mhz DOS card, >> complete with all the cables (inc. the fabled dongle) and software, >> including the hacked version of the DOS compatibility software (v 2.1.7 >> written by someone whose name escapes me). Also, a colleague with the handle >> "Mad Dog" has this web link <http://www.november1981.jmug.org/> (though I >> think his server is down at the moment) that explains install procedures. >> My question: > > Greetings Dana. Thanks for posting that link, a good page [the server > must be back up]. Congratulations on your Apple card find with *all* > the cables. Should you ever find that you don't require the internal > video Ribbon cable, I would be most interested in aquiring it :) > >> My goal is to slap the card into a beige G3 desktop running at least OS 8.6, >> with the DOS card running, I hope, WIN 98(se). >> Is this do-able? The writer of the hack seems to think so, but no one ever >> explains how to get the OS bumped up from OS 8.1 while retaining the hacked >> PC DOS extensions. > > Upgrading the OS is the easy part. That is, the Apple "PC Setup > 1.6.4" software does not get installed by the OS installers. You need > to do this manually yourself after you make the OS upgrades. The > freeware "PC Setup 2.1.7f" is installed last of all. > >> Any thoughts? Experiences to share? > > Personally, I don't think that the "12 inch 166MHz P card" will run > in a Beige G3 or later. Why? My theory is the type of RAM used on the > DOS card is meaninless to the beige G3, - 5 volt EDO or FPN RAM as > opposed to the beige G3's 3 volt PC1xx SDRAM - the electronic > componants on the card will most likely also be incompatible. > The *other* "12 inch PR 166 card" pulled from a 4400/200, 7220/200 > only, can be made to work apparently, because the RAM [and cards] > voltage is the same, and by using the "I Wish I Were..." extension > hack... > Also, although there's a lot of info on-line regarding these DOS > cards, there seems to be a great lack of any info about them being > used in beige G3s [only a few references to the "12 inch PR 166 card" > hack. - I could be totally wrong of course, and am happy to be told > so... Just a hunch it can't be done, or it's at least not a straight > forward procedure, is all. > > OTOH, the DOS cards seem to work contentedly with the Macs they were > intended to be used in, which have since been upgraded with 3rd party > G3/G4 cards. I guess it has a lot to do with the electronics on the > mobo, which the DOS cards [and G3/4 upgrade cards] need to be > compatible with. > > There's no problem running these cards under MacOS 8.6 and running > Win 98, more RAM on the DOS card the better. Unfortunately Windows 95 > runs noticeably faster than Win 98 on this card IMO. Even so, it > still beats Virtual PC, speed wise. > > The only "hiccup" that I've struck with upgrading beyond MacOS 8.1 > and these DOS cards is the incompatibility between the "PC Setup > 1.6.4" software and Open Transport. 2x. I know that "PC Setup 2.1.7f" > solves that issue, but I've been reluctant to install it because of > having to install it over 1.6.4 - maybe I'll come around one day :) > My work-around has been to uninstall OT 2x and replace it with OT > 1.1.2, which seems to work fine. I wouldn't recommend that anyone > does this, if it's their only Mac. -I haven't noticed any issues so > far, is all. > > I was interested to read at the web link you provided, about "USB > Support" installed by Mac OS 9.1, which adds support for PCI USB > cards, conflicts with the PC Setup 1.6.4 control panel". Something I > haven't struck yet [running 8.6 and no USB card] but may find out if > I install a USB PCI card at some later stage. > > Good luck with finding a solution. > Mike > > > > > > -- Mac-N-DOS is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... / Buy books, CDs, videos, and more from Amazon.com \ / <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/lowendmac> \ Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html> Mac-N-DOS list info: <http://lowendmac.com/lists/mac-n-dos.shtml> --> AOL users, remove "mailto:"; Send list messages to: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-n-dos%40mail.maclaunch.com/> Using a Mac? Free email & more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
