Hi James, Am Wed, 6 Jun 2007 09:36:22 -0400 (EDT) schrieb James Mckenzie: >> From: Eric Hoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Jun 6, 2007 4:01 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [mac] OpenOffice Aqua vs NeoOffice >> >> Hi, >> Am Wed, 6 Jun 2007 08:33:35 +0200 schrieb Provincia San Benedetto >> di Don Orione: >>> Il giorno 05/giu/07, alle 16:41, Randy Saunders ha scritto: >>> >>>> You should add an FAQ entry that answers the >>>> question "What's the difference between OpenOffice >>>> Aqua and NeoOffice?" >>> >>>> It is a good idea, sometimes ago there was a direct link to >>>> neooffice from openoffice.org page for mac, but the shortsight >>>> of mac >>> openoffice.org's team removed it. It is silly that the only >>> working aqua porting of openoffice.org for mac is not mentioned >>> in openoffice.org mac page, but talking about neooffice here is >>> like a tabù. >> >> And that's fine! > > Actually, it is not. NeoOffice is a derivative, not a competitor, like > Microsoft Office. We have much to gain in the OpenOffice.org Mac OS X > project by using the NeoOffice.org code.
You're right. I was too harsh. It was just because users always blame us and do their trolling here. >>> So, neooffice exist, it is the only openoffice.org aqua porting >>> working now, everybody is suggesting it for a daily work office, >>> but you can not find any resource or info here. >> >> Why the hell should we help a fork of OpenOffice.org? Did they help >> us? No. None of their coders even made and attempt to help us >> getting the basic stuff of OOo 2.x running. They simply waited >> until we had 2.0.x ported to Mac OS X Panther later Tiger and in >> the end to Intel PC - took our code, made some more or less stable >> additions, sold this for 20 bucks or so to early subscribers and >> that's it. Still they get all the attention and users blame us. >> > Erice, Patrick provided a very large patchset that made OpenOffice.org > 1.1.4 buildable on the Mac. Without this, I could not build. That is > not little or not support. That's right. But we got the code from Patrick after 1.1.x was soon to be outdated and dissmissed after 1.1.5 which should only bring reading support for the new oasis format. In the end it was nice to get the code donated but it was too late. For the changes between 2.x and 1.1.x prevented us from using his code he is not to blame they were mostly done by Sun. > A little communications before a major change in the layout and location of certain programs would have gone > a very long way. Sorry I don't understand what you mean here. > I was in on the discussions on why NeoOffice.org was > moved. At first it appears as if this movement was at the sole > direction of one or two people. Afterwards, I realized that this was > a temper tantrum by several people and should have been discussed > before the move was made. Well at first I was against removing Neo or at least handle it faire but every attempt I made to improve communication between Neo and OOo was sabotaged by one site. The last time I tried I made a mistake in wording. Louis pointed me too this but he made a mountain out of a molehill and in the end I never got a reply from Ed. > However, the past is what it is and cannot be changed. You're right. >> All they can say is that they made a nice GUI to an existing >> product. And this can't be that hard. So I guess they are good in >> overacting etc. Everytime we fixed something important in our code >> we read in their forums that they did a heroic task in getting this >> bug squashed. >> > They did. Without Patrick, Ed, Dan and several others, there would > be NO Mac OS X port to speak of. Back at 1.x times yes and I give them credit for this but but again this is past. And for the present believe me I would be very happy to know when and why it all got that embittered. So one step lead to the other and in the end the both egos got hurd and the already poisoned atmosphere boiled over and now we are were we are. So while it may look like an overreaction to remove Neo completely from our sites it's just that, to compare it with another prominent fork, Debian directs the (newbie) end-user to -buntu because Ubuntu claims to be more userfriendly and working better on the desktop or that Debian even has download links to the Ubuntu distribution as we had to NeoOffice? Besides this Neo is still mentioned as a fork. Even if one day we get over this feud there is still the problem of getting the code merged so that nobody is able to benefit of it in a commercial product. > I've heard rumors that Patrick was fired from Sun because he was working on this port. That is really > putting it on the line. Unlike us, he makes his living off of the > product he supports. That may be true or not. I only know that he got fired by Sun. The why is something I don't know up until today and as with every rumour it could be true or at least part of it. > And yes, Patrick has squashed some really nasty > bugs that we are trying to fix to this day. He has the right to > withhold his fixes per the GPL and LGPL as those fixes could be > incorporated into a commercial product. Agreed. >> Sorry for being harsh but it's simply not true that we are the bad >> guys and Neo folks are the hereos of the day. > > Actually, since we've been like children, we are all bad guys. > Unfortunately, we will never learn to play well together and the > people who are hurt the most are what we need, users. There is one > good thing that we almost can count on and that is no Office 2008 for > the Mac for quite some time. That, my friend, is true competition > and OpenOffice.org for the Mac may be fighting a long battle with > them. +1 Next time I should think again before sending mails out. Maybe I should have thought of the "don't feed the trolls". Thanks for correcting some of my points James and giving us another point of view on this all. Kind regards, Eric -- ## de.OpenOffice.org - Office für MacOS X, Linux, Solaris & Windows ## Openoffice.org - ich steck mit drin! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
