To Whom It May Concern, Ward, you don't owe anyone an apology. You did not incite the riot.
And, Kay, I don't know you... but you seem to need a lesson in appropriate communications, even when you are in direct opposition to someone. You are being extremely rude. It seems to me that if you feel another person is mistaken in their ideas, you could get better results by being less angry in your responses. I am an artist, also... you may be more financially successful than I have ever been; but I'd be willing to bet that I am a happier person. It's not even a case of men ganging up on a professional woman. I am a woman, also, and not a doormat for anyone. Yet I have never taken such a tone with anyone. Angry words (such as you are persisting in using) usually tend to leave one with egg on one's face. If the omelet fits, wear it. (Sorry ... I couldn't rest being just a little snide. I'm not perfect.) I don't believe that Hen would want to interfere in any way with your making your living. He was just trying to answer another list member's question. Mike On Wednesday, August 4, 2004, at 07:20 PM, Ward Oldham wrote: > Hey folks, > > I have responded directly to Kay and wish to apologize to the group > for unknowingly inciting a riot. ?:) > > Ward > > Ward Oldham, MacDude > MacTown > 1041 Bardstown Road > Louisville, KY ?40204 > 502-485-1243 > ward at mactown.us > http://www.mactown.us > <image.tiff> > > From: KR'sListMail <listmail at electrablue.com> > Reply-To: <macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu> > Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:36:43 -0400 > To: <macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu> > Subject: MacGroup: Re: Copying > > Ward, > > In response to your post, you wrote > > > From: Ward Oldham <woldham at insightbb.com> > > Subject: Re: MacGroup: Re: Copying > > > > But to slap someone down, bloody their nose and tell them they're > > uninformed > > and totally ignorant is uncalled for! > > > > You say I don't have the right to protest someone stealing my or my > clients work? > Just, WHO is sticking whose nose in it? > > When someone makes jokes about stealing entertainment artists' works, > your clients works, and even goes so far to describe methods and ways > to steal one's own work? I am supposed to sit silently by and smile > like a fool? ?His post made me FURIOUS. I couldn't believe he had to > the gaul, the nerve to argue with me about my artwork and my creative > property rights here like he did. > > As Henri knows, I am an Entertainment Artist and Architectural > Designer. Along the past twenty years, I have worked for Warner, > Disney, Universal, HBO, Paramount, Universal, Ripley, Blockbuster, > Virgin, and a handful of other entertainment companies. I have sold or > copyrighted my work to my clients. ?My work appears on studio CDs, > Films, DVDs etc. I make my LIVING selling conceptual ideas for media > projects Theme parks, Stores, CDs, and DVDs. ?We aren't talking about a > far away planet here, with people he doesn't know. We are talking about > MY life's work, and MY Clients who have bought and paid for my work. > > And so, here is Henri, telling people on this list, about ways to copy > and steal some of my DVD works!!! ?Right in front of me??? What nerve! > > Ward, If someone stepped in your store, smashed out the windows, and > stole YOUR goods, and threatened your industry 24 hours a day, with > threats of theft? ?How would you feel about that? And then if the guy, > strutted around and talked about doing these things to your Clients, > and taking your goods, and using them and doing so, RIGHT in front of > your face??? And then went on and even explained to others here, ways > that they could break into your store, next week and steal again and > again. And then argued with you how all of this is is OK, and how > stealing your work is "their Right"??? And to go on and on, how it is > COOL and FUNNY stealing your work is? > > So given this truth, WHO Is pushing WHOSE buttons here? ?I would like > to see how YOU would react, Ward, if someone made jokes about stealing > from your friends, clients and vendors work like that, right in front > of you! > > I don't find his comments funny, at all- nor his guidance good or right > to the people on this list. And don't feel a bit sorry for speaking my > mind about his bad behaviour and words, in due concern. ?I only wish I > had spoken up sooner, and expressed that I felt What he is doing is > WRONG, and I DON'T LIKE IT. > > So here is my final word on this subject: > It is not Henri's ?RIGHT to reproduce MY copyrighted works or > the content on my studio clients DVDs. > Not now, not ever. ?Period. > > And if he does do so? > I DON'T want to know about it, not here, not anywhere. > Otherwise, I will be obligated to report it. Understand? > > I am filled with pity after listening to some of you people. > How insensitive you are, how full of self-rightiousness to > do whatever you want. Such bad karma... > > Obviously, after reading the latest posts, I do see how some of you > feel it is very ok to steal a creative person's work and use it however > you wish, without asking for the owners permission, or paying for the > right. > > I DO not agree--and obviously we will not ever agree on that issue. So, > I don't want to argue with you anymore about who my art work > belongs to. I Know who it belongs to, and I don't feel any need to > prove it here. > > As far as I am concerned, this is the End of this UGLY Discussion. Good > riddance! > > Yours, > Kay > > > > > > > | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will > | be July 27. 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